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Old 01-08-2019, 04:38 AM
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Keep the present regulations but drastically increase the fines/penalties for breaking the present laws.
not enough MF presence to monitor it where I am. This from MF officer himself.
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Aleon View Post
not enough MF presence to monitor it where I am. This from MF officer himself.
There has to be a way to deter the law breaking while not killing off the livelihood for legal folks. Maybe an automatic suspension of their commercial license for a long period of time when caught for 1st offense, 2nd offense jail time.
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Old 01-08-2019, 04:58 AM
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Umm, Having worked with marine biologist most of my 35 years with the National Marine Fisheries Service, I have learned over those years that simply having a degree in wildlife biology does not necessarily make one an expert of marine fishes or its fisheries. I will admit that gut hooking of spike trout was a bad term to use since these trout were usually hooked in the gills or throat instead of in the gut. Either way, anyone that spends the day targeting spike trout will end up killing lots of small trout and with thousands of recs it adds up fast. Finally, I think I read in some economic study that was financed by the CCA that claims the average rec in NC fishing for specks will spend several hundred dollars for each speck caught along with similar results for several other species such as flounder or red drum. Can you imagine what a good seafood platter of trout or flounder would cost the average NC seafood consumer if we all had to catch our own? Thankful that we have farmers to supply us with food that is priced in such a way that most of us can afford to eat much like commercials that also provide us with fresh seafood that in most cases is reasonably priced.
I have trouble feeling sorry for the family from Greensboro who can't get a fried trout or red meal because they can't get to the coast. Tough cookies. I don't even live in NC but if the only justification for allowing netting of gamefish is to support a few jobs and allow some people away from the coast to eat seafood, then I don't see how that's justifiable. NC should implement a full net ban. Nobody is going to die because they can't eat trout or reds.
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Rustybee View Post
I hate to be the one to say it. But, the in shore net draggers do just as much harm if not more.

on the other side of the coin...... Commercial fisherman need to support their families just like we do..

Perhaps, there are other means of harvest beside the indiscriminate net...
Just like other industries in the US, particularly manufacturing in the rust belt or farming, people had to adjust when the jobs went away. If there was a major ban on commercial fishing, these guys would find something else to do.
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Old 01-08-2019, 05:58 AM
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why should NC seafood consumers along with the commercial fishermen that supply this product be banned from catching or eating this product just to make a few recs have an easier time catching their limits when ever they go fishing? Some of your thick headed folks just can't comprehend the fact that commercials must use effective gear to catch our seafood products in order to help make it affordable to the average NC citizen while at the same time insuring a profit for the commercial fishermen. If one is to believe the economic survey data that claims the average rec will spend hundreds of dollars to catch 1 trout or 1 flounder then even Stevie Wonder can see that hook and line is not very effective in this instance. That's why fishermen use nets and for those that know a little something about farming, the same applies to farmers that use tractors instead of a hoe or a shovel. Do these nets have a bycatch problem? Yes!!! but by the same token so does a hook since most recs often catch something that was not targeted. Have stood on Bogue Inlet pier many a spring day trying to catch sea mullet and watch tons of dog sharks, rays, and trash fish in general being hauled over the rails and many of these bycatch fish are not handled with TLC either. Think that much research is being conducted as we speak to reduce commercial bycatch and the problem has gotten better over the years. Some of you need to realize also that just because a fish such as a speck or red drum just happens to park their arses in your canal or off your dock for a day or so does not automatically make you the owner of these fish.
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Old 01-08-2019, 06:18 AM
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There is no way to equate land farming to commercial fishing. Farmers are working their land. Commercial fishermen are taking a PUBLIC resource. Better management of that resource by the commercial fishermen would benefit all. But, they can't seem to do it. Too greedy.

I don't begrudge commercial fishermen making a living off of natural resources, I just can't stand the waste of some netting practices. That and the fact that netting allowed in nursery locations prevents a huge portion of fish from ever having a chance to reproduce before they are killed. Which in turn depletes the species even more.

Same BS, from the same BS'ers as 2 years ago - Inshore Nets

It is not the responsibility of the individual, government (local, State, or Federal), society, or any entity or industry, to provide jobs or subsidies to industries or businesses that cannot or will not effectively manage the resources on which their respective jobs, livelihoods, industries, or enterprises rely.

Lord knows we beat this topic to death every winter, with no positive change in fish stocks, and more BS from the BS'ers.
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Old 01-08-2019, 06:53 AM
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while commercial fishermen and farmers are different in many ways they both must use effective equipment that's purpose is to allow them to bring a product to market while still making a profit and if you wish to argue with statement then feel free to do so. Its true that some species can be caught while using hook and line while making a profit but is not the case with many of our seafood products.
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Old 01-08-2019, 07:05 AM
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I cant remember the last time i saw a speckled trout or red drum at a grocery store or offered on a menu. Definitely not in the Piedmont or western part of the state. Fact is they are living off a public resource. It should be managed in a way that benefits the public the most. Getting rid of gill nets (and inshore trawling) would do that. I actually think it would help the struggling areas that most commercial fisherman reside in as well. The economic benefits of rec's over coms has been shown time and time again. Help out the small eastern towns by helping the fisheries.
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Old 01-08-2019, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
while commercial fishermen and farmers are different in many ways they both must use effective equipment that's purpose is to allow them to bring a product to market while still making a profit and if you wish to argue with statement then feel free to do so. Its true that some species can be caught while using hook and line while making a profit but is not the case with many of our seafood products.
It is not profitable under current management practices. If we got rid of gill nets and properly managed our resources a hook and line commercial fishery might be viable. The whole farmer and commercial fisherman argument is a load of crap.
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Old 01-08-2019, 07:16 AM
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Every year more and more nets are being eliminated from Nc waters. Soon they will all be gone. If you had better fishing 6 months or 6 years ago the fish had a lot more to deal w back then.
Trout are extremely hard to catch in a gill net. You really need to visually see them running bottom and strike em,similar to mullet. The size of your net will determine your catch(+ - 1” mesh”) no juvenile trout will be caught. I know from reading post that most of you see a net and assume all is caught. This is not how it works. Similar to your local tennis courts, tennis ball, ping pong ball. One stops one goes through.
I’m sure all of you guys catch your own shrimp,seafood w dip nets and barbless hooks or buy farm raised, Or don’t buy shrimp/seafood at all. But if you do you are supporting commercial fishing
last year there was a similar post about this and on the same page the OP started another thread about where to find the best deal on shrimp! Wtf
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Old 01-08-2019, 07:24 AM
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Here's an idea. Lets ban rec fishing so commercial guys came make a living. Much easier for a rec guy to find a new hobby than a commercial guy to find a new career. Oh yeah, don't eat seafood from a restaurant or buy it in the store anymore because the big bad commercial fisherman probably caught it in a net.
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Old 01-08-2019, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Fishoi View Post

this is the problem w the public, no idea how nets work. 1/8” net mesh can determine if you catch anything. Your net has to be the proper size to catch the fish you are after. To catch 4-6 pound trout you will need 4”-4.34” net. Thats the Nets mesh size. The small fish swim through. The big fish bounce off or sometimes w specks they get caught by there front tooth but they normally pop off and swim away when the net is hauled.
Get your self some net and fresh fish and play around in your backyard and see how it works it is nearly impossible to make a small trout get caught in any legal size net.
...which is why we shouldn't be targeting whole schools of concentrated over-wintering large highly fecund spotted seatrout with gillnets in creeks, deep holes and canals.

...which is why when we do, there is little left but spikes for recreational anglers to have to catch and release while hoping for that "elusive" larger fish.

...it is why we have a severely truncated CSMA striped bass population with small schoolies in boat basins that never recruit to the adult spawning population once they "recruit" to a large mesh net.

...it is why we have a long-lived species like red drum where a highly successful year class once every few years can support the population but somehow that highly successful year class disappears once it reaches the size that it "recruits" to large mesh.

...and it doesn't work that way with large mesh flounder nets that lay on the bottom entangling small drum and small flounder

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Old 01-08-2019, 08:25 AM
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I have learned that there is never a compromise with either side. Gillnet is harping on being effective, and efficient.... Well if you don't balance those two, your target species will eventually be depleted until it harms you... The real question is, how efficient should you be? Make as much money today as possible,... Generations to come can deal with our stewardship later.... It happens any time someone brings this up... It's a public resource, the commercial fishermen believe they hold a golden key to it, it's their livelihood, but in the end it is a PUBLIC resource, we should all hold a golden key.... We should ALL manage the resource better, we should ALL figure out when our actions are causing depletions, or interruptions in natural events.
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Old 01-08-2019, 08:27 AM
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Former NC inshore rec guy here. Probably not going back because of this.
Visited Cedar Key Fl 2 years ago and did some flats fishing there. Previous to about 1992 they were the center of the commercial gill net fishery.
State banned nets but introduced clam farming. Comms were incentivized to make the change. They were able to retro fit their boats and now clam houses and comms work together to grow and harvest 75 or 80% of the clams we eat in the US.
Very cool to see and clam houses are very good about showing off the process.
Just seemed to be an innovative solution.
The fishing was tremendous. I recommend it if you like inshore/flats fishing. I have never sight casted for triple tail on the flats - that was unbelievable. Dont have to worry about getting hung up on crab traps or pilings.
Please dont quote me on my numbers or timelines but I think I am pretty close.
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I have learned that there is never a compromise with either side. Gillnet is harping on being effective, and efficient.... Well if you don't balance those two, your target species will eventually be depleted until it harms you... The real question is, how efficient should you be? Make as much money today as possible,... Generations to come can deal with our stewardship later.... It happens any time someone brings this up... It's a public resource, the commercial fishermen believe they hold a golden key to it, it's their livelihood, but in the end it is a PUBLIC resource, we should all hold a golden key.... We should ALL manage the resource better, we should ALL figure out when our actions are causing depletions, or interruptions in natural events.
Comms never compromise. They are united in their opinion that "if we give an inch, we will have to give a mile".

It is ALWAYS the recs who get their limits cut or shut down.
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:22 AM
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Specks are priced at $1.10 a lb here right now . Doesn't seem worth it to me unless they're double and triple dipping.
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Specks are priced at $1.10 a lb here right now . Doesn't seem worth it to me unless they're double and triple dipping.
Not sure how anybody could make money on that.
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75 fish a day(supposedly). I'm sure other employment would pay better.
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Former NC inshore rec guy here. Probably not going back because of this.
Visited Cedar Key Fl 2 years ago and did some flats fishing there. Previous to about 1992 they were the center of the commercial gill net fishery.
State banned nets but introduced clam farming. Comms were incentivized to make the change. They were able to retro fit their boats and now clam houses and comms work together to grow and harvest 75 or 80% of the clams we eat in the US.
Very cool to see and clam houses are very good about showing off the process.
Just seemed to be an innovative solution.
The fishing was tremendous. I recommend it if you like inshore/flats fishing. I have never sight casted for triple tail on the flats - that was unbelievable. Dont have to worry about getting hung up on crab traps or pilings.
Please dont quote me on my numbers or timelines but I think I am pretty close.
I feel like oyster farming could be a good future for commercials in NC. Plus it would create more and cleaner habitat for fish. Its a win win in my opinion.
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I say the same thing every year in these NC threads:

No desire to run commercial fishermen off the water, or out of business.
Only to ban INSHORE gill nets (and some inshore trawling) that kill millions of fish before they even have a chance to reproduce.

Modern fishery practices/methods have far outpaced the ability of many targeted fisheries to sustain themselves. This cannot be denied.

Commercial fishermen will deny until the last fish is caught that they had any impact or detriment to the fisheries.

Same BS from the same BS'ers every winter.
Petition to Ban Gill Nets in Inshore Waters
New Commercial License Requirements
OBX Voice~ Estuarine Shrimp Trawling
WRAL's NET EFFECT airs Oct 26th

And I can go on and on. Commercial fishermen have no more RIGHT to the resources than the public at large. Left to their own devices, they will destroy the resources. Just look north at other fisheries. Every other state that has banned inshore netting has awesome inshore fisheries, and the commercial fishermen there either adapted, or went out of business and into other lines of work. It will be that way here one day. We can only hope and vote.
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