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Old 10-25-2017, 03:24 PM
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Guys,

I am really frustrated and exploring other ways to find help.

I am trying to find a technical sales rep in the Raleigh/Durham NC area with a background in Commercial Direct Digital Controls (DDC). I am tired of paying headhunters to bring me crap and then have to deal with them to find me a replacement. Sadly, most of us in this business today seem to be older than 50 and ready to slow down. We are in a vibrant market and struggle to keep up with requests some days. I found a decent estimator but now need someone to manage our clients and develop new ones also.

I would rather give a sign-on bonus to a THTer or pay a THTer a finders fee than headhunters. At least i would have something in common with the folks off THT.

If interested shoot me a PM. I can provide details, website and job description.

Thanks.
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Good luck, I am in RTP, I know nothing about DDC's though lol. I work in Biotech. Fermentation...
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The whole technical service industry is having problems finding help including myself. Everyone wants a college degree they can't use or couldn't find a job after they got it. We're also entering a new Era of snowflakes that think they are as entitled as older generation knowing half.
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Hey deepsea, we are hurting for decent install techs in St Pete and Orlando. We do controls, fire, and security so finding well rounded young guys willing and able is tough. Basically old guys rule. Guys that can actually understand and run a job is even harder. And so on as you go up in skill to management and sales I would guess. Good luck.
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PM sent.
Old 10-25-2017, 07:41 PM
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I just took a field engineer job (Industrial Controls). They have been struggling to fill the position and offered some nice perks like a car and working from home when I'm not traveling.

There is a serious shortage of automation technicians in this country. Screw the four year degree unless it's in Engineering or Biotech! People in my field can get a two year degree and be making six figures within a couple of years.
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I feel your pain, I'm in the printing industry and have tried a number of ways to find/hire good help. It's ironic that my industry is contracting but yet I need to hire people I can't find!
Old 10-25-2017, 08:13 PM
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Madhat,

I will trade you two techs for one sales person. Luckily we have some very good techs, engineers and programmers. People do not realize how many opportunities there are in our field currently, and it appears that it will be this way for the next 5-10 years easy.

We are working with our local community college and they are developing a 2 yr program for our industry with expected salaries starting between 60-70k. I am just shaking my head watching the kids at church talking about the degree programs they are headed into at these four yr schools knowing their parents will be dropping six figures and they are struggling to get 40k a year to start.

Our sales persons are doing six figures a year and some of them don't even have a degree.

Please keep the PMs coming and/or references.

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The biggest issue is that kids aren't even aware jobs like this exist unless their parents are in one. Industry groups need to do a better job reaching out and sharing these opportunities in high school. After graduation is usually too late.

You said you overheard kids in church talking about their majors and just shook your head - did you go up and tell them your industry would start in the 60s and be in the 100s in a couple years? They probably aren't even aware.
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Originally Posted by N2theblue View Post
The biggest issue is that kids aren't even aware jobs like this exist unless their parents are in one. Industry groups need to do a better job reaching out and sharing these opportunities in high school. After graduation is usually too late.

You said you overheard kids in church talking about their majors and just shook your head - did you go up and tell them your industry would start in the 60s and be in the 100s in a couple years? They probably aren't even aware.
I'm 43 and have no idea what Commercial Direct Digital Controls consist of.
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Originally Posted by Vitamin_Sea View Post
I just took a field engineer job (Industrial Controls). They have been struggling to fill the position and offered some nice perks like a car and working from home when I'm not traveling.

There is a serious shortage of automation technicians in this country. Screw the four year degree unless it's in Engineering or Biotech! People in my field can get a two year degree and be making six figures within a couple of years.
If what you're worried about is making 6 figures within a couple years, you can forget that engineering degree. At least you can rule Civil out of that category for sure. My civil degree landed me all of $42k out of college. It'll be a good lonnng while still before a civil gets to 6 figures working for somebody else. Seems the mechanical / industrial engineers I knew in school had far better starting salaries; however, with degrees and starting career tracks with far less possibility of ever working for yourself at some point in time.
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Originally Posted by mrdeepseafisher View Post
Guys,

I am really frustrated and exploring other ways to find help.

I am trying to find a technical sales rep in the Raleigh/Durham NC area with a background in Commercial Direct Digital Controls (DDC). I am tired of paying headhunters to bring me crap and then have to deal with them to find me a replacement. Sadly, most of us in this business today seem to be older than 50 and ready to slow down. We are in a vibrant market and struggle to keep up with requests some days. I found a decent estimator but now need someone to manage our clients and develop new ones also.

I would rather give a sign-on bonus to a THTer or pay a THTer a finders fee than headhunters. At least i would have something in common with the folks off THT.

If interested shoot me a PM. I can provide details, website and job description.

Thanks.

I know it isn't what you want to hear but consider opening your "qualifications" a little. 30+ years ago, I decided I wanted to move into surgical sales. I had 0 experience in that field. But I work hard and believe I am a smart guy who can learn anything. I went through numerous interviews where I was told I wasn't qualified. One company hired me. Their story sounds very much like your experience with recruiters. They had hired one after another "highly qualified" people that didn't work out. They liked me personally and decided to give me a chance. By the end of year one I was in the top 10 of their sales force(125 reps at the time nationwide). The remaining years I was with them, I was never worse than the Top 3.

My point is that you might have to find someone you like, has a good work ethic and can be trained your way. Good luck and I hope you find the right person!
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I've been doing controls and integration most of my life, strong mechanical aptitude don't mind turning wrenches when I have to, there's definitely a shortage of people with the willingness and knowledge to do this type work. We find our EE's through our internship programs, we have hired some real good guys but the problem comes with willingness to travel, be away from home, live in hotels, its not a life for everyone...Ive done this now for 27 years, very good pay but on the flip side I have sacrificed a large part of my life to the road. I still live this life every week...fly to work on Monday, fly home Friday sometimes you cant come home for several weeks...rush to try to do what normal people have to opportunity to do when they get off of their normal jobs in the afternoons....and pack to repeat that process the following week... Its not a life that many people look forward to....I'm at a point in my career, I'm tired of what I do, but I'm good at what I do....pushing 50 years old and change brings fear....but very fortunate to be debt free and now working to establish my retirement...hopefully you can find the right fit you are looking for, but I've seen this type industry beginning to hurt for new hires for some time now...its only going to get worse....
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Could anyone explain to me what the education and job track for a non-degreed HS educated young person with good work ethic is for jobs like this?
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Originally Posted by JAGSARE1 View Post
I know it isn't what you want to hear but consider opening your "qualifications" a little. 30+ years ago, I decided I wanted to move into surgical sales. I had 0 experience in that field. But I work hard and believe I am a smart guy who can learn anything. I went through numerous interviews where I was told I wasn't qualified. One company hired me. Their story sounds very much like your experience with recruiters. They had hired one after another "highly qualified" people that didn't work out. They liked me personally and decided to give me a chance. By the end of year one I was in the top 10 of their sales force(125 reps at the time nationwide). The remaining years I was with them, I was never worse than the Top 3.

My point is that you might have to find someone you like, has a good work ethic and can be trained your way. Good luck and I hope you find the right person!
Myself and a lot of people I graduated college with ran into this problem also. If you search entry level jobs most of them still require some level of experience. Biggest asset millennials have is their ability to learn. with the advent of the internet most the basics are at their fingertips and nobody knows the internet like millennials
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Could anyone explain to me what the education and job track for a non-degreed HS educated young person with good work ethic is for jobs like this?
There isn't one. Unless you are applying for a strictly craft position, the automated computer job posting programs will automatically kick out anyone who doesn't have some type of post high school degree.

And I agree with those who said employers need to be willing to train people. It's that dang Catch-22 , they want trained and experienced people but aren't willing to do the training themselves, so how do people ever get trained or experienced?

Also - its sales. A good salesman can sell anything regardless.
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Originally Posted by N2theblue View Post
There isn't one. Unless you are applying for a strictly craft position, the automated computer job posting programs will automatically kick out anyone who doesn't have some type of post high school degree.

And I agree with those who said employers need to be willing to train people. It's that dang Catch-22 , they want trained and experienced people but aren't willing to do the training themselves, so how do people ever get trained or experienced?

Also - its sales. A good salesman can sell anything regardless.
Ok, what about the 2 year programs mentioned? Guess I should have been more clear.
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I feel your pain.

Hired 5 Sales Engineers over the past 5 years and not one of them is still here today. All in their 20s. Three women, two men. Reasons:

- "I don't like being in the field all the time, I want a desk job" (despite doing ride-alongs during interview phase, and asking how they feel about being in the field 90% of the time.)

- "My old company offered me a job, so I'm going back" (his new role is beneath his engineering degree)

-"Oil and gas is paying me more, so despite hating it and leaving them for your company, and telling you numerous times that I'd never go back, ever ever ever, I'm going back"

- etc.

Most of them believe that to get ahead in life, you need to be changing jobs every 18 months. Even the college recruitment office is preaching that. When I heard that, I stopped interviewing and hiring from that school. Sucks, because it's my alma matter. I will not hire any more 20-somethings that haven't been at a job for a minimum of 5 years. I don't even read resumes that have a job-hopping history.

Our #1 problem is hiring and keeping good people. If we were successful at that, we'd be 30% bigger today than we are.
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Originally Posted by mattbowen61990 View Post
Good luck, I am in RTP, I know nothing about DDC's though lol. I work in Biotech. Fermentation...
Half the bullshit that flies off my desk ends up in RTP
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Our #1 problem is hiring and keeping good people. If we were successful at that, we'd be 30% bigger today than we are.
Maybe there are underlying issues (management) that you are overlooking, that is causing the good employees to leave.

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