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Old 10-11-2017, 08:49 AM   #121
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How does one KMT fish and not drink beer lol.
Itís pretty easy
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:41 AM   #122
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I'm sure Aleon or anybody on here would contribute. What do you need help with ?
I didn't ask for any help and don't need any help, unless somebody wants to give me a million bucks. I, and many folks on here, attempt to contribute to the board and help folks. Others don't. That's their prerogative. But name calling is not necessary.

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Old 10-11-2017, 09:43 AM   #123
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How does one KMT fish and not drink beer lol.
This may be weird, but I personally think lots of sharp hooks, sharp teeth, gaffs, and boats don't really mix well with alcohol, but YMMV.

I don't drink at all when either running a boat or fishing. A Dark and Stormy sure is good at the end of the day when cleaning the boat though.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:26 AM   #124
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I didn't ask for any help and don't need any help, unless somebody wants to give me a million bucks. I, and many folks on here, attempt to contribute to the board and help folks. Others don't. That's their prerogative. But name calling is not necessary.
Thatís funny. Especially when you go to a dockside thread and call everyone Ďhypocrites,í but carry on with your hypocrisy.
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:02 PM   #125
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That’s funny. Especially when you go to a dockside thread and call everyone ‘hypocrites,’ but carry on with your hypocrisy.
That's dockside though. There was no helping people out in that thread. Just an echo chamber. This is a thread with a lot of good info. I try to make a distinction between there and here, as the Carolinas board is geared more toward helping people out.

But, hey, if it makes you feel better to bring something from there in here specifically to disparage me, no skin off my back.

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Old 10-11-2017, 12:49 PM   #126
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That's dockside though. There was no helping people out in that thread. Just an echo chamber. This is a thread with a lot of good info. I try to make a distinction between there and here, as the Carolinas board is geared more toward helping people out.

But, hey, if it makes you feel better to bring something from there in here specifically to disparage me, no skin off my back.
Ahh, should have known, those pesky caveats. Just pointing out your hypocrisy. I’m done. Back to the US Open.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:05 PM   #127
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Guys what makes good teams great is a combination of things. You canít pin it down to one or two things. Itís everything from knowledge, chemistry with the members, skill of the members, confidence, equipment, networking, and most importantly HARD WORK! Anyone who thinks that they are going to put a boat in tournament morning and go be consistently competitive is mistaken. Letís take bait for example, we caught bait Sunday before the Open and pinned them up, caught bait again Monday for the Fall Brawl. This gives the bait time to harden before we need them for tournament day. Hardened baits are better than fresh caught baits because they are accustomed to being in captivity and stay strong in the tank all day. Baits caught that morning will get weak in the afternoon and most times turn red. Next we had team members go catch another species of bait to pin up. This gives your spread some diversity and sets you apart from the rest of the fleet thatís doing the same thing. Just doing all that you can to set yourself apart from everyone else is going to keep you consistently catching more quality fish. We all could go on and on about what you can do but work hard at it if you want to be competitive. I by no means intend to imply that Iím the greatest fisherman just that I try to better my chances by putting as much effort and work into as possible. Just not showing up on game day and trying to win.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:17 PM   #128
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I love the excitement of a tournament, but like others have said, most of us just can't put the time in that's needed to be a
consistent competitor. I need a new job. And less adult responsibilities. That way I can focus on what's really important... drinkin beer and catchin fish! (and seein my family every now and then so my wife don't yell at me)
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I love the excitement of a tournament, but like others have said, most of us just can't put the time in that's needed to be a
consistent competitor. I need a new job. And less adult responsibilities. That way I can focus on what's really important... drinkin beer and catchin fish! (and seein my family every now and then so my wife don't yell at me)
I like your outlook on life, I need to find one of those jobs too so I can keep my priorities in line as well.
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Old 10-12-2017, 05:21 AM   #130
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Teams that fish a lot and are at the top seem to have funding to be able to prefish, fish many tournaments, have top notch gear, etc. Not saying Joe Dirt can't catch a winning fish but I think you have a huge advantage to prefishing, fishing a lot, getting bait pinned up, able to travel far during a tournament if the bite is good, etc etc. Any advantage is a good one. Big boats also are key to me. We didn't run anything below 40knts the whole weekend. The baits could have lasted a dam week in that yellowfin! It's an amazing boat and performs like a tournament boat should. It truly is a stud on the water. Makes fishing comfortable and easier on the crew. Everything is nice besides the fuel bill. I honestly think fishing a single outboard boat would be fun but would need to be able to take a beating. Our challenge as a team is finding that fish 30lbs and above. Seems like 26-27 range is bout it for this tournament past few years. Granted we don't fish but maybe 2-3 tournaments a year, I would love to figure out the expert decisions made that get the big fish. It starts with bait and sat it was a pain to catch. I defiantly encourage anyone to fish it next year. Chances are you don't win but if you don't go you don't know!

You'd be surprised how few teams prefish. I mean it's no secret where 75% of the teams are going this weekend for the Trooper tourney. Who wants to catch a 50 lber tomorrow only to spend all weekend wishing he was a day later. Now Bait prep is a different story. There will be 70 boats fishing a square mile Saturday. The only advantage you can have is bait. If you have good bait it can be the difference. Also a lot of luck too. Something else that is key is a good boat driver. Jocking for position on the spot and then keeping a fish out of everyone else's stuff is tough to do.
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I agree on the pre fishing aspect. We don't prefishing just because of that reason. Why kill or throw back a potential winning fish then get skunked the next day. I guess to me pre fishing is more than rods in the water. It's looking for bait, water quality, planning a route. Getting information I guess. Doesn't have to take but but a few hours. Friday we fished ocean crest and then ran to the river channel. Man that water was beautiful! King green at its finest. Same area sat was mud. I think the water changed for the better at lighthouse from Friday to sat tho. Intel is your friend for sure fishing a tournament. In fact anything that you have that other boats don't have is one up on the others. I like a lot of you have talked about bait prep. Very important and can easily give you another hour of fishing time and that early bite can be a big fish before all the pressure is at the location. Great thread so far. We don't take it as seriously as a team, but we do have a good time doing it.
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:17 AM   #132
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I love the excitement of a tournament, but like others have said, most of us just can't put the time in that's needed to be a
consistent competitor. I need a new job. And less adult responsibilities. That way I can focus on what's really important... drinkin beer and catchin fish! (and seein my family every now and then so my wife don't yell at me)
I think that's the situation a large majority of us are in. Otherwise, you end up with the 'D' (and then you can fish all you want....)
We fish a couple of tourneys a year, and while we hope to win some money, it's really just an excuse to get out and have some fun with my fishing buddies. Placing in the money is just gravy. And while I'd like to admit that when we win money, it was due to skill, the reality is that we were lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time when a big fish swam through our spread.
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:22 AM   #133
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I agree on the pre fishing aspect. We don't prefishing just because of that reason. Why kill or throw back a potential winning fish then get skunked the next day. I guess to me pre fishing is more than rods in the water. It's looking for bait, water quality, planning a route. Getting information I guess. Doesn't have to take but but a few hours. Friday we fished ocean crest and then ran to the river channel. Man that water was beautiful! King green at its finest. Same area sat was mud. I think the water changed for the better at lighthouse from Friday to sat tho. Intel is your friend for sure fishing a tournament. In fact anything that you have that other boats don't have is one up on the others. I like a lot of you have talked about bait prep. Very important and can easily give you another hour of fishing time and that early bite can be a big fish before all the pressure is at the location. Great thread so far. We don't take it as seriously as a team, but we do have a good time doing it.
I have been but prefishing before, first leg of the first year of the Cape Lookout Shootout we ran to a spot to check out and caught a 45 on friday, went back Saturday and got skunked, the winning fish on Saturday was only 29lbs. Now when we prefish we more or less just got for fun to eliminate spots bc we already know where we are more than likely going.
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Since we dabbed in the penned bait topic, anyone want to elaborate on their specific pen or how many days they pen up? Iv seen some nice big pens at oifc and a company makes a huge plastic like one with a Davit that attaches to the dock. We have a blue 55gal drum but mostly for blues overnight, Spanish die right away in it. And are we talking pogies only in the pen or anyone pen up blues and Spanish? We fished dead ribbons and nothing. But that's a good dead bait to have
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Since we dabbed in the penned bait topic, anyone want to elaborate on their specific pen or how many days they pen up? Iv seen some nice big pens at oifc and a company makes a huge plastic like one with a Davit that attaches to the dock. We have a blue 55gal drum but mostly for blues overnight, Spanish die right away in it. And are we talking pogies only in the pen or anyone pen up blues and Spanish? We fished dead ribbons and nothing. But that's a good dead bait to have
Spanish are extremely temperamental. I'm not sure you could do much with them in a pen. I have been using one I made last year and it does very well. Mostly pen up menhaden in it and have other nets to do blues and such.

When penning menhaden the biggest key is get quickly and pen fast, meaning don't let them sit in the livewell for hours before getting them in the pen. Usually we are one or 2 throws and we have more than enough to fish 2 days on. This past tournament we tried hard for bigger bait that we just couldn't find and that cost us big time on penned bait. You will loose some, sometimes half you initial batch depending on your water your taking them from and putting them in but the ones that survive and have at least 2 days to rest in the pen will be beyond unbelievable in a livewell.

Mesh pens are cheap and effective but are prone to otters and current much more than other pens. I know folks that pen bait up all year long. they get a batch going and just start adding at that point and take out what they need etc.
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I agree with all of this. We use a 550 gallon farm tank with about 2,000, 3/4 inch holes drilled in it. We try to have our bait in the pin for at least five days total. Like mentioned we lose anywhere from 20 to 50 percent of the baits in the first couple of days. One of us will go by the pin every day to remove the dead ones so the decaying fish wonít kill the rest. The ones that are left after day three or so become super strong and are what we call ďhardenedĒ. You may still lose a few but the rate will drop dramatically. These baits are way better than even baits caught the morning of a tournament. We try to refresh our bait supply every Sunday or Monday to prepare for the following weeks event.
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Great info guys! Where do you get the metal mesh material for the pen with PVC framing?
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Great info guys! Where do you get the metal mesh material for the pen with PVC framing?

Robs bait pens out of Florida sells those. They work well. OIFC gets a load of them every year. Donít know if they have any available now or not.
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Great info guys! Where do you get the metal mesh material for the pen with PVC framing?
I think I got everything from lowes. If not the mesh came from HD. But pretty sure its lowes. Mine is plastic. Didn't want to deal with rusting. easier to work with too. If I had to do mine over again I would make it a little smaller and use all pvc vs what I used to round out the ends. Probably try something different with the zips ties too.
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I think I got everything from lowes. If not the mesh came from HD. But pretty sure its lowes. Mine is plastic. Didn't want to deal with rusting. easier to work with too. If I had to do mine over again I would make it a little smaller and use all pvc vs what I used to round out the ends. Probably try something different with the zips ties too.
Like you we got it all from lowes, one was coated wire mesh, and we built it round. We're going to redo one like yours in an oblong version. But use that plastic mesh. We used PEX like you would plumb with to get our round pen, with T glued in for uprights.


What would you use versus zip ties ?
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