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Old 01-14-2017, 11:40 AM
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"The North Carolina Marine Fisheries Commission appears poised to pass a new regulation that many critics say will drastically impact, perhaps even shut down, North Carolina’s shrimping industry.
On Jan. 17, the Marine Fisheries Commission will be holding a hearing in New Bern on the rule, which would essentially make all inland waterways a “secondary nursery” for fin fish, significantly curtailing the use of trawl nets to harvest shrimp."
Read more @ --> https://outerbanksvoice.com/2017/01/...-to-shrimping/


Then We Have some "History" to back this up with..
Bottom Trawling How to Empty the Ocean in 150 years.
The government has refused to act against 'bottom trawling', which has turned Britain's seabed ecosystem into a wasteland
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...empty-the-seas
Old 01-14-2017, 11:41 AM
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Follow the money. Some lobby group is paying off someone to have this shut down.
Old 01-14-2017, 11:59 AM
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Sitting here on the OKI ICW, I see several shrimpers heading out to sea and returning on a routine basis. Wouldn't this be a "plus" for them? The SC shrimp industry is not gone, and they've been fishing offshore a long time.

Maybe ocean netting is not as lucrative, but restricting inland netting sounds like some long-range thinking to me.
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Now, if they would do something like this for gill netting, it would make a tremendous difference all the way around..
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Hopefully something happens, they will probably sue like they did to keep flounder season open
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I crewed on an inland shrimp trawler a few times. The amount of bycatch was disgusting.

I don't like many regulations, but trawling kills so much more than is caught.

Got to be a better way to get shrimp.
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don't need a rocket scientist to figure out who is really behind this latest attempt to put more commercial fishermen out of work. Have any of you ever wondered why shrimpers are killing all the fish in NC waters or so we are told, but other States such as Louisiana which has 10x the shrimp trawlers seems to also have plenty of fish for fishermen to catch. Not to mention Texas, Alabama, and Mississippi which also have shrimp trawlers shrimping in their inshore waters.
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
don't need a rocket scientist to figure out who is really behind this latest attempt to put more commercial fishermen out of work. Have any of you ever wondered why shrimpers are killing all the fish in NC waters or so we are told, but other States such as Louisiana which has 10x the shrimp trawlers seems to also have plenty of fish for fishermen to catch. Not to mention Texas, Alabama, and Mississippi which also have shrimp trawlers shrimping in their inshore waters.
I'm not a rocket scientist but I still don't know. Who is behind it?
Old 01-16-2017, 08:14 AM
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just follow the money trail that leads from the front door of the 2 environmental groups and leads to the back door of the NC CCA's office. Only 1 group that I am aware of whose primary purpose is to drive all of our Countries net fishermen out of work and that would be the CCA.
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Can you just connect them for me? I have no idea where this trail starts and ends but I like learning new things.
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Gillnetflounderman,

You must not have got the latest CCA newsletter. All you have to do is send them (CCA) money and they will make sure the government gives everybody more fish. You won't even need to go fishing where the fish are anymore, there is going to be so many fish they will be everywhere. Just jumping in peoples boats, swimming up on the beach and jumping up on the fishing peirs. The sounds will be so full of fish and shrimp you will have trouble navigating through all of them. It will be huuuge!. They might even need to make more laws to ensure prop strikes don't kill to many of the fish that will be swimming everywhere. All we need is more laws and regulations. You know laws and regulations stimulate breeding habits....
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
don't need a rocket scientist to figure out who is really behind this latest attempt to put more commercial fishermen out of work. Have any of you ever wondered why shrimpers are killing all the fish in NC waters or so we are told, but other States such as Louisiana which has 10x the shrimp trawlers seems to also have plenty of fish for fishermen to catch. Not to mention Texas, Alabama, and Mississippi which also have shrimp trawlers shrimping in their inshore waters.
Time for a career change. Hard to justify the waste over what they get.
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think that there is some waste or adverse effect to most anything that we do in our coastal waters. Shrimpers are no exception but work is continually being done to reduce some of this waste. There is a huge demand for fresh caught shrimp and it would be a shame to not allow our commercial shrimpers to catch these tasty critters. No one seems to know how much of an effect the shrimp trawl bycatch has since shrimpers all up and down our coast to Mexico experience this problem when shrimping. I have not heard too many environmental groups peeing and moaning about the lack of fish due to shrimp trawling in other States south of here and States such as Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama allows shrimp trawling in most of the inshore waters. SC and Georgia don't enough inside coastal waters to even mention. I am convinced that this is mostly a NC CCA driven attempt to reduce the numbers of commercial fishermen so that the local fishing guides that heavily support that organization can find it a little easier to put their deep pocketed clients on fish. After all, when their clients don't catch enough the guide must find some excuse and commercials are the always easy to blame
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
think that there is some waste or adverse effect to most anything that we do in our coastal waters. Shrimpers are no exception but work is continually being done to reduce some of this waste. There is a huge demand for fresh caught shrimp and it would be a shame to not allow our commercial shrimpers to catch these tasty critters. No one seems to know how much of an effect the shrimp trawl bycatch has since shrimpers all up and down our coast to Mexico experience this problem when shrimping. I have not heard too many environmental groups peeing and moaning about the lack of fish due to shrimp trawling in other States south of here and States such as Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama allows shrimp trawling in most of the inshore waters. SC and Georgia don't enough inside coastal waters to even mention. I am convinced that this is mostly a NC CCA driven attempt to reduce the numbers of commercial fishermen so that the local fishing guides that heavily support that organization can find it a little easier to put their deep pocketed clients on fish. After all, when their clients don't catch enough the guide must find some excuse and commercials are the always easy to blame


What is the ratio 9lbs of juvenile fish to 1lb of shrimp? That's not justifiable by any means. I watched trawl boats dump 1.5miles of stripers out of Oregon Inlet one day just to keep the 50biggest fish in the trawl nets the rest dumped back dead. I've never seen such a waste of a resource in my life.
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Originally Posted by Corndog38 View Post
I crewed on an inland shrimp trawler a few times. The amount of bycatch was disgusting.

I don't like many regulations, but trawling kills so much more than is caught.

Got to be a better way to get shrimp.


Lots of livebottom off our coast has been destroyed by trawling, too. Bycatch is still there as well...

Not a very selective way of harvesting, but the boats are slowly dying out...whether that's good or bad isn't my point here.
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Wish there was a better way to get shrimp and not get the bycatch. Without screwing with someones livelihood.

We used to bait shrimp in SC with catfood and would crush it with cast nets. No bycatch. And the shrimp that got away got a good meal!!
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There's almost no recreational fishery for croaker, spot, or weakfish (grey trout) in the Pamlico. The species most represented in trawl bycatch are spot, croaker, and weakfish.

It's a shame that you have to travel to Virginia to catch a croaker big enough to eat.
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Originally Posted by Corndog38 View Post

Got to be a better way to get shrimp.
Hook and line!

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Some of you folks need a history lesson and to do some independent reading. The proposed rule deals with more than just Shrimping inshore. It places outside waters up to 3 mi. off limits as well establishing a minimum size limit on croaker and spot. This in my opinion is counterproductive to the stated goals. It will shift the recreational harvest to breed stock spot and croaker and increase total mortality rates on the specie in general by requiring release of juvenile fish. It will also put an end to the use of some of the best live baits for those who enjoy surf fishing pier fishing and live baiting using spot and croaker as bait.

The bycatch issue is a red herring argument. The only reason that bycatch is currently wasted is the regulation which forbids the posession of it. Juvenile spot and craoker used to be very marketable and still would be if it weren't for dumb regulations. Permitting sale of this currently wasted fish would help supplement commercial fishing efforts and reduce the need for longer drag times to break even.

The resource is being wasted because it is being managed by beaurocrats for sale to the highest bidder. It's time to implement common sense approaches. A waste not, want not policy should be imposed. No "bycatch" should ever be wasted, nor should the breeding stock of any specie become the mainstay of harvest. Such rules guarantee a depleted resource in the long term regardless of the impact on trawling and shrimping and as Gilnetflounderman says, there is no empirical evidence that reducing shrimp trawl activity in NC will do anything other than create a market shortage of fresh NC produced shrimp.
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Originally Posted by Corndog38 View Post
Wish there was a better way to get shrimp and not get the bycatch. Without screwing with someones livelihood.
The economics commercial vs. recreational is 20x in favor of the recs. Money and influence is the only reason the trawlers are still there!!! I hope a change is soon.

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