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Old 08-23-2015, 08:51 AM
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Default Another bad day at the ramp...

This time it was down here at the Hwy 17 ramp beside Poo's...
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Old 08-23-2015, 10:16 AM
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Wow. How is this happening? I've never felt like this was going to happen to me. I always use the parking brake and make sure I'm in Park when I get out. Is this from leaving the truck in gear? Is it from slick ramps? I'm genuinely curious because the amount of times I've seen this on the forums in the last couple of months is staggering. I don't want to end up like these guys!
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Old 08-23-2015, 12:30 PM
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man that sucks! It's easy to judge someone in that situation but there are a lot of variables when launching if you get in a hurry or someone is stressing you out.... it's easy to forget the simple things like mashing the E-Brake and putting in park...you KNOW that guy is kicking himself...
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Old 08-23-2015, 02:55 PM
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Seriously, how is this happening. Not saying it as "how could you possibly DO that", I legitimately want to know how it is happening. I am paranoid about this.

We use the wildlife ramps at Falls Lake almost every weekend. VERY steep. My truck is a manual, so no park. I back the boat in the water (admiral hasn't mastered it yet), then mash the e-brake to the floor while she hops in to pull it back out after I back the boat off. It'll hold even on the steep incline, but you have to STEP on it. I could just see the freaking cable snapping as we switch drivers and there it goes...

When I'm alone I mash e-brake to the floor, put the truck in granny gear, turn the engine off, and chock both rear tires (not even sure they would hold...they're plastic and I think they might just slip).

Not much more I can do I suppose. Probably overly paranoid since we do not deviate from this system...ever. But seeing all these posts lately about it, just makes you wonder...
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Old 08-23-2015, 03:03 PM
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That's why I don't want a truck with a stick shift!!
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Old 08-23-2015, 04:29 PM
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Also make it a habit to turn the steering wheel hard over so if the tow vehicle were to pop out of gear (or e-brake failure) the vehicle would go into the dock or curb, whichever is bigger, rather than straight down the ramp. Probably won't help if all 4 wheels are sliding on slime but might slow it a bit.
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Originally Posted by Cobia 217 View Post
Also make it a habit to turn the steering wheel hard over .
Yep. Every time.
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Old 08-23-2015, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobia 217 View Post
Also make it a habit to turn the steering wheel hard over so if the tow vehicle were to pop out of gear (or e-brake failure) the vehicle would go into the dock or curb, whichever is bigger, rather than straight down the ramp. Probably won't help if all 4 wheels are sliding on slime but might slow it a bit.
Now that's a great move. Never thought of it, boy I feel stupid.

Thanks again for a new routine at the ramp.
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Old 08-23-2015, 07:53 PM
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As soon as I get to the point where my rig is rolling downhill, I shift into neutral, and just use my brake and ease it into the water. Don't want my foot to slip off and hit the gas in reverse.
And I never get out of the truck and leave the engine running.
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Old 08-23-2015, 08:14 PM
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Another trick: carry a wheel chock tethered to your hitch. Set it as soon as you're backed in. When you pull forward, it will follow along till you park. Toss back in the truck, or on the trailer. Rubber ones are cheap at Harbor Freight.
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:09 AM
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you cant tell in the pictures but this ramp has groves cut deep across the concrete for more traction. I have never had any issues with the truck slipping here and use it regularly. lots of cars and small trucks use it as well.

Still no idea of what happened, but when I saw the truck coming up with the windows down, it made me think of how many people still have kids in car seats in the back..

terrible for the owner and would still love to know the story here.. glad not to hear of any injuries.
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Old 08-24-2015, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mfive View Post
Wow. How is this happening? I've never felt like this was going to happen to me. I always use the parking brake and make sure I'm in Park when I get out. Is this from leaving the truck in gear? Is it from slick ramps? I'm genuinely curious because the amount of times I've seen this on the forums in the last couple of months is staggering. I don't want to end up like these guys!

Yep been there I have been launching boats since 16 and thought the same thing. and here is how it happened to me.

F250 Diesel 4x4 - back tires getting no traction, vaccum on the motor failed for the first time ever, Not able to get into 4 wheel drive. Put on the brake truck in park, sat there for a few minutes like that got out to manually lock in the hubs and she slid in. With the truck in park and the e break on the only thing holding the truck was the rear wheels. When I got out and the back wheels slid down the ramp and It was gone.

Note to self - Never get out of the truck and take foot off the brakes, also carry wheel chalks incase this happens for the front tires.

TIP OF THE DAY - Get a wheel chalk like this

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/...A&gclsrc=aw.ds

Attach a piece of rope with a loop on the end long enough to go from the front tire in position to around the drivers side view mirror. I carry this in the cab so when I get out I have the chalk in my hand and install it first. Never leave the truck without this in place. When you start back up the ramp the rope will prevent the wheel chalk from being run over by the back tire and you drag it up the ramp. It works amazing perfect for the one man band.
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:22 AM
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Turn the wheels...genius! Just added that to the list. That's drivers ed 101 for parking on a hill.

May start having the admiral chock a tire while we switch drivers, too. I REALLY don't trust the e brake cable. Dad has the same truck and his snapped. At the ramp is where I put the most tension on mine, by far. So, IF it's going to let go, I have a pretty good idea of when and where it will do it...

Would never have an automatic...ever. However, I damn sure wish I did at the boat ramp!
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Old 08-24-2015, 06:42 AM
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You should see the shows in south FL
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:13 AM
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I've seen 2 vehicles go into the water under 2 entirely sets of circumstances. Only thing in common was both were at low tide, one during full moon so really low. The first one, a guy started backing his 2wd truck down a little too fast and when he tried to stop, all 4 wheels were now on the slippery stuff and he slid until the boat began to float. His rear wheels were submerged when the trailer wheels touched the berm at the end of the ramp (intended to keep trailer wheels from dropping off over the edge). Second guy had loaded his approx. 26 ft cruiser and started to pull out w/his 3/4 ton 4x4. Rear wheels were on the slippery stuff and started to spin. As he began slowly sliding backwards he tried to shift into 4wd but wasn't able to do so. Like the first guy, the berm saved his ass (same ramp, different day). His truck bed was only half submerged. IMHO the time when this stuff has the highest probability of happening is just before (or at) low tide, when the surface hasn't had much time to dry off, unless it's due to operator error or mechanical failure. I used to do the tied-off wheel chock method when I drove a stick. Chock was tied off to trailer tongue and used it under rear wheel of truck. Just enough cord to keep it from the trailer wheels & would store it bungeed to the base of the winch stand. On a slick ramp it would be better under the front wheels on dry ground for sure.
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Old 08-24-2015, 10:30 AM
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Something else to consider is bunk slides or liquid rollers sprayed on the bunks so you don't have to back down so far to load/unload. I just did the liquid rollers on my 22' skiff and it is truly a dream to load/unload now and I barely get the front trailer tires wet now.
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Old 08-28-2015, 01:58 PM
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DNR said the truck was left in reverse... in case anyone was wondering what the issue was..

experience is sometimes expensive..
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Old 08-29-2015, 07:38 AM
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In the short term, this thread cost me $390.00. Long term it may have saved thousands of dollars. After reading this thread I checked my parking break on a hill only to find out it does not work at all. It felt like it was engaging but it would not hold the truck even on the slightest incline, much less a boat ramp. It turns out the foot pedal mechanism had failed so it wasn't engaging the cable to engage the brake. It would have been less money but the mechanic took apart the brake itself since it is a common failure point on Chevrolet trucks only to see it was in perfect shape. So he wasted an hour labor on that. My advice, go check your parking brakes.
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Insurance job... "oops"
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Old 08-30-2015, 08:30 AM
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In addition to the other good tips here:

1) Make sure only the driver is in the tow vehicle during launch/recovery. No one else;

2) Roll down windows during launch/recovery for better situational awareness and to make it easier to escape the vehicle in the event it slides into the water;

3) Driver should remove seat belt during launch/recovery, to permit faster escape if necessary.
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