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Old 11-20-2005, 09:05 PM
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Last week I took the "Marsh man" out with the THT blast & cast group... like all, we caught small ones BUT Marsh Man had his eyes on what was working and not working... he went back today... here is the results for MarshMan and his son Travis...BTW, they threw back this many!!!


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These Guys are something else...
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:37 AM
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What's the size and creel limit on Jordan?
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Old 11-21-2005, 09:42 AM
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20" 4/person. They could of put them under the jail.


And should have.
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That's what I was thinking
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Old 11-21-2005, 10:17 AM
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I should clarify... this was from 2 days of fishing, I thought it was 18"?
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Old 11-21-2005, 10:34 AM
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Ok, We got the camo wildlife guys watching now. They took away everything a guy had up at buggs for that.
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My opinion:
I’m going to guess the gentlemen pictured are smart enough not to knowingly post photos of illegal activities. Here is a link to the inland fisheries regs (pdf) http://216.27.49.98/pg02_Regs/pg2b2.pdf
It says you can keep 8 stripers, minimum size 16 inches. You have to keep reading to see there are exceptions, namely 4 fish and 20 inches in some lakes. IMO it’s easy for someone to read the first part and think that’s all there is to it. The regulation should read: “4 fish, 20 inches in Jordan, Norman etc” THEN state “8 fish 16 inches” in other bodies of water.

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Old 11-24-2005, 08:24 AM
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Only a fool would eat a fish out of Jordan lake!
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Old 11-24-2005, 09:32 AM
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Hey You - 11/24/2005 9:24 AM Only a fool would eat a fish out of Jordan lake!


Just what does that mean?????
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same as norman and wylie.....if you have to ask...you just dont understand.
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Old 11-25-2005, 07:15 AM
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After some PMs by members who actually cared to answer a legitimate question, I do understand better. I knew there was pollution problems there, but haven't kept up with the how serious this was.

It's a shame we can't manage that resource any better.

Sorry to hijack the original thread, just wondering about some of the comments.
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ScottK, were you at the Ebenezer ramp Wednesday, about 3-4ish?

Also, I'd like to hear what people have to say about the fish out of Jordan. chip.
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Having lived near Jordan and having fished on the lake even before it was impounded I have to go along wholeheartedly with what Hey You said. Jordan is the intermediate destination of countless tons of waste products including municipal waste, industrial waste, and agricultural waste from the communities upstream from the lake. I say intermediate because a lot of that waste ultimately finds its way into the Cape Fear and from there to the ocean. I suspect that environmental regs have had some positive effect on this but given the lax enforcement of our state environmental laws it's hard to believe that much has changed.

There was a time that I and a fishing buddy fished Jordan a lot. He and I both ate some of the fish we caught but we changed that after we had several meals of hybrids and white bass that had a decidedly petrochemical flavor to them.

There have been times after high-water periods that there was literally a scum line around the entire lake. Not just a high-water mark, mind you, but a SCUM line of brown slime that caused me to limit my fishing in the lake. And when I was a younger and more adventurous type I used to swim in Jordan. I gave that up when I kept getting severe earaches after each swimming trip. (Whereas I did not get them after swimming in Kerr Lake).

At one point in the mid-90's, just out of curiosity, I called the NC Wildlife Resources Comm. and asked them if there were any advisories regarding consumption of fish taken from Jordan Lake. The guy on the phone said that there were none and that they had not heard of any. I was shocked to say the least. That conversation did not change my mind about eating fish from Jordan.

So, over the last 17 or so years I have concentrated my fishing efforts on Kerr Lake. I had always ASSUMED it to be a relatively clean lake so I wasn't reluctant to eat fish I caught in Kerr. But just this year I heard about an advisory posted by the Virginia Dept of Game and Fish that recommends eating only two 8-ounce servings of fish per month of fish caught in Kerr. The contaminant in Kerr is PCB's and it affects most, if not all, species of fish.

I agree with ScottK. Why is it that we cannot keep our waterways clean so we can eat the fish and our kids can safely swim and play in the water? This seems so basic, but apparently we value other things like the convenience of being able to use our streams, rivers and lakes as a dump for our waste products. The only way that will change is if WE THE CITIZENS demand better stewardship of our natural resources.
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I eat them all the time, I have a slight stutter, but all elase is okay...
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chip - 11/25/2005 10:08 AM ScottK, were you at the Ebenezer ramp Wednesday, about 3-4ish? Also, I'd like to hear what people have to say about the fish out of Jordan. chip.
Hey chip - It wasn't me, but if you seen a big ugly fella, I definitely understand the confusion!
I have been working way too much to even think about getting up there. I though about it yesterday (Thanksgiving) but that was it, a passing thought as I value the time with my family so much more these days. I have only seen one other boat like mine up there before, and I actually ended up giving them a tow back to their ramp! (Long story)

If HotSpot eats the stripers from Jordan, then I know I'm safe as I have yet to catch my first one!
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:33 AM
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JMcC - 11/24/2005 6:47 PM

same as norman
Amen. Except for the newer subdivisions all the houses on Norman are on septic systems. The lake is fed by the Catawba River and 40 gillion septic tanks. Just can't see spending half a million bucks to live on a cesspool.
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:51 AM
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The way I see it, if there were ANY scientific data that would prove an increased health risk of eating fish from Jordan, the liberal tree huggers would have had it on the front page of every Triangle newspaper the next day. Further, they would have filed suit, as they so love to do through groups like the SELC, against every state agency they could.

Since I have not seen this on the news nor heard of any litigation, then I must assume that such scientific evidence does not exist........and I feel quite confident that hydrocarbon concentrations to the point of being able to taste them in a cooked filet would be easily quantified to be unfit for human consumption.

Now that said, we really do have too many pollutants entering the rivers and streams of North Carolina. In my opinion, the biggest problem is with municipalities........either storm water runoff or treated/untreated sewage. DENR seems to have full Legislative support to take on corporate water pollution issues, but they have to walk on eggs when they start to take on a municipality because of the potential for political (budget) fallout. I also believe that we as citizens have dropped the ball here too...............corporate pollution rates headlines.........a repeating municipal treatment plant spill gets relegated to the obit page........its almost as if we accept it.

Sorry for the ramble.......this is a problem that we just don't seem to know how to tackle.
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Here is a link to N.C. fish consumption advisories: http://www.epi.state.nc.us/epi/fish/

There aren’t any fish consumption advisories for Jordan because the pollutants in Jordan are nutrients- nitrogen and phosphorous- rather than chemicals like PCBs and mercury. About ¾ of the nutrients in Jordan come from nonpoint sources such as pastures and lawns- not from wastewater treatment plants. In other words, most of it aint human. Jordan is a source of drinking water for Raleigh, so it is subject to the strictest water quality standard (there are three). So while it might look bad on paper, the fish in Jordan are safe to eat.

On the other hand, the Gaston Kerr chain has quite a bit of chemicals, but not as much nutrient loading. I did some work on the tributaries to these lakes in Virginia, and I saw lots of signs at the boat ramps warning of PCBs and Dioxins.

Here is a link to the Jordan Lake Stakeholders Project: http://www.tjcog.dst.nc.us/jorlak/jlsp.htm To get a feel for the complexity of managing the watershed, scroll down to Primary Documents, and click on DWQ Responses to Public Comments. A lot of people are pulling in a lot of different directions.

I caught 3 catfish on Jordan last week. A little one and a big one got fried for dinner last week. The other big one gets the same treatment tomorrow. Bon Apatite. chip.

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We have the same problem on Hartwell, there was an old plant on the Seneca river before the lake was built and it dumped waste into the river. Several years ago they realized that the PCB's are in the fish. It is recommended to eat them with care and to be aware of it. I have heard many different theory's on this. The US Army Corps of Engineers did a recent study this past year and said the PCB's are still present but are dwindling. They say there is nothing that can fix this other than time. Some people will not eat fish from Hartwell especially the big stripers. It is advised to realease the bigger ones and eta the smaller ones since they have not been in the lake as long.
I eat my share and I am like HOTSPOT in that one leg is getting shorter than the other and I sometimes glow in the dark but I think that is normal isn't it???
The USACE stated that a person would have to eat at least 1lb of contaminated fish a week every week for a year to have any trace of this in your body at all.

A lot of us still eat plenty of stripers but I probably do not eat them more than once a month since I will normally catch and release. I will admit I do feel better when I fish Murray, Russell, Clarks Hill about keeping the fish for eating but I think it is more of the thought of it than anything.

By the way all I get when looking at the original posts are red x's
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HOTSPOT - 11/25/2005 7:09 PM

I eat them all the time, I have a slight stutter, but all elase is okay...
darn, THAT WAS GOOD!
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