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Old 06-23-2009, 12:57 PM
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Default The Ethanol Battle in North Carolina has Begun

The North Carolina Off Road Fuel Coalition (NCORFC) is a grass roots organization made up of NC citizens that have a mission. That mission is to educate NC citizens about Ethanol Blended fuels and to make some changes in NC law as pertains to the: sale of, distribution of, labeling of, and regulation of Ethanol Blended fuels.

The Founding Fathers of the NCORFC are the same folks that helped with House Bill 2167 in 2008. This group made history in NC by overwhelmingly overturning Governor Mike Easley's VETO of the bill. Now, they are at work again for the citizens of NC.

The NCORFC's number one goal is to have distributors provide "off road fuel." This "off road fuel" will be non-Ethanol Blended fuel. The NCORFC also wants to ensure that marinas are never forced to sell Ethanol Blended fuels. The NCORFC wants all pumps in NC labeled with Ethanol Blend they are selling, and the State to put regulations in place to randomly test the Ethanol Blend that is being sold.

Does the NCORFC think this can happen? YES.

It seems Ethanol Blended fuels first showed up in Eastern NC, where most boaters are, figure that one out.

NC citizens are being hammered with repair bills and many are ready and willing to support NCORFC. Class Action Lawsuits may be on the horizon.

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THANKS for being one of the "movers and shakers" Hotspot. There are many that want to see change and those many are greatful to you and others like you that help us drive for change. Good things can happen.
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Lets not stop in N.C. All marine fuel should be ethanol free no matter what state you live in. Just my thought .
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Guys and gals, I have finished the code for the NCORFC site and Capt Dave Tilley is working on getting it posted up on FryingPanTower.com

That's right, Capt Dave is providing the horsepower and bandwidth that the NCORFC needs to spread the word and fight the good fight.

The site is packed with info and tools to help educate NC Citizens about Ethanol Blended Fuels and their short comings in an off road environment. The site will be our main weapon in the battle we face.

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What we are doing will be replicated State by State. Capt Dave has web sites for pretty much each State and this module we are creating will be available for all to use.
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We only have one of these in our area (Northern Neck of VA). Not sure about the marinas but I keep my two 75 Gal tanks topped off using 5 gal tanks from this gas station.

Look forward to your efforts!

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Ready to roll on this. This is important to anyone with a boat!! Mark
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Default Me too ..... Greenville NC no ethanol location .....

EXXON Station corner of Evans St/Greenvlle Blvd. His business has been booming. I tested it and found his claim to be true. That's two in the Greenville area.



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Please add me to the list of emails...

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Ethanol has screwed up several of my small engines already at E-10
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There's an small Exxon on 70 around Newport that advertises no ethanol gas. Is this an Exxon thang?
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Check this out folks. In NC, we don't know what we are buying and the blend is NOT REGULATED or TESTED by ANY STATE FIRM.

More and more small engine mfgs are having to insert warranty verbiage such as this, just to protect themselves from thepoor fuel being provided to the consumer.

This ain't propanes, IT IS FACTUAL.

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Thanks for the help. I have started using "ring free" and stablizer additives to any fuel purchased at a station in Wilmington. Filled up at the Carolina Beach marina yesterday ($3.19 gallon) and asked if it was ethanol free, he said yes.

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Thanks to all for the attention this is getting. Unfortunately, for many of us, this problem has already caused extensive (and expensive) problems. I have two Johnson 175 two-strokes that are still down. Carbs rebuilt first (after I drained the tank...total liquid on board: 130 gallons; total waer in that liquid, once separated: more than 6 gallons). The ethanol, once it "broke down" cleaned out the lines and the gas tank, getting every piece of solid material it could find, and sent it to the engines. The water-fuel separators "filled up", and the overflow filled up the carbs (almost every orifice, and the internal filters), and the filters on the carbs. End result, before I turned it over to an expert: carbs rebuilt (four of them for two engines), two new fueld pumps, and a bored out cylinder and new piston. Once it's back together, I hope the problems will have ended. I will use stabilizer; I will pump any fuel left in my tank for more than 30 days through a multi-filter rig that I made...to remove water and any fresh particles. Reminds me of a dialysis machine.
Bill at Tideline Marine in Jacksonville has got to be one of the most patient mechanics ever. Along with the "mess" he's pulled from my boat, he's shown me carbs, fuel lines and primer bulbs from other boats...the victims of ethanol. Let's not wait for others to take up the sword...we all must let our voices be known to every political leader at ANY level. The grassroots crowd...especially those who work along the coast...will listen to a big crowd.
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Thanks to all for the attention this is getting. Unfortunately, for many of us, this problem has already caused extensive (and expensive) problems. I have two Johnson 175 two-strokes that are still down. Carbs rebuilt first (after I drained the tank...total liquid on board: 130 gallons; total waer in that liquid, once separated: more than 6 gallons). The ethanol, once it "broke down" cleaned out the lines and the gas tank, getting every piece of solid material it could find, and sent it to the engines. The water-fuel separators "filled up", and the overflow filled up the carbs (almost every orifice, and the internal filters), and the filters on the carbs. End result, before I turned it over to an expert: carbs rebuilt (four of them for two engines), two new fueld pumps, and a bored out cylinder and new piston. Once it's back together, I hope the problems will have ended. I will use stabilizer; I will pump any fuel left in my tank for more than 30 days through a multi-filter rig that I made...to remove water and any fresh particles. Reminds me of a dialysis machine.
Bill at Tideline Marine in Jacksonville has got to be one of the most patient mechanics ever. Along with the "mess" he's pulled from my boat, he's shown me carbs, fuel lines and primer bulbs from other boats...the victims of ethanol. Let's not wait for others to take up the sword...we all must let our voices be known to every political leader at ANY level. The grassroots crowd...especially those who work along the coast...will listen to a big crowd.
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Raeford,
If you will get in touch with Hotspot with your story it will help us, There are a few things going on right now with all of this.
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Is the NCORFC going to ask that the NC highway gas tax be removed from the non-highway gas as is with non-highway diesel fuel. I do hope so. And, what does joining the NCORFC entail?
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Yes, that is part of the plan.

To join the NCORFC, all you need to do is reister on the website.
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Okay folks......IT IS TIME TO UNITE !!!!

Please pass the word about the NCORFC website to everyone you know.

We also need to get non-boating folks that have and are being effected by Ethanol involved, so if you know someone, please inform them of the NCORFC!!

We are gearing up to publish our first Form Letter August 31.

It will take time and lots of work folks, but we all know it is desperately needed.

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You can find some interesting reading on the USA Fuel Service site.
http://www.usafuelservice.com/

Pertinent to this thread, note they say Ethanol fuels need to be used within 2-3 months in the Marine environment. They explain this is because marine and industrial fuel systems are vented to the atmosphere, and the alcohol sucks moisture right out of the air, lowering it's octane rating and eventually causing phase separation. They warn boaters who keep gas longer to budget for an annual tank cleaning and disposal of the stale fuel (which costs $3 gallon disposal fee plus the pump/cleaning charge).

There is no additive that will prevent this fuel degradation. They may delay the onset slightly, but cannot prevent it. My personal experience is fuel bought in February 2009 and treated with STA-BIL Marine Ethanol Fuel Treatment was not usable as of June 2009. The boat is dry stored, thus that fuel was protected as well as it possibly could be. Non-ethanol fuel has to be made available.
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Interesting EPA memo that discusses, among other things, the problems with water absorbsion into E10 fuel in vented fuel systems. The memo is evidence the EPA has known about these substantial problems for a long time, and has chosen to ignore them.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/rfg/waterphs.pdf
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