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Old 01-29-2021, 11:16 AM
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If you haven't donated to the two lawsuits fighting for fisheries reform please do so.

The CCA https://ccanc.org/ccanc_lawsuit/ fight made the next mile stone yesterday when the "State" filed its motion to dismiss with a request for the CCA to agree to a briefing schedule. The CFRG https://www.nccfrg.org/ lawsuit is in the hands of the judge waiting on her to rule on the trawler owners' motions to dismiss.


In past posts, I have been criticized by seamus67 for "unfairly advertising" only for groups that promote sustainable fisheries management.

You now have the opportunity to support an organization that promotes commercial harvest on depleted and overfished stocks using unsustainable gears and methods that no other state from here to Texas allows.

In that vein of fairness, I'm including today's public release from the NC Fisheries Association.

The release below does confirm one point in the CCA lawsuit- the point about regulatory capture of the state by the commercial industry. I guess the deep pocket dealers have more money than the state to put up a good defense. Those big dealers should have plenty of money, the "State" gave the six dealer defendants in the NC-CFRG lawsuit $1.9-million dollars in Florence Relief Payments while they were landing record levels of shrimp.

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NCFA UPDATE: 01/29/2021
NORTH CAROLINA FISHERIES ASSOCIATION "Serving the Commercial Fishing Families of North Carolina since 1952"
PO Box 86; Morehead City, NC 28557
Phone: (252) 726-NCFA (6232) Fax: (252) 726-6200
www.ncfish.org

NCFA Files Motion to Intervene
On Thursday, January 28, 2021 the North Carolina Fisheries Association filed a motion to intervene as a party-defendant in the lawsuit filed against the State of N.C by the Coastal Conservation Association (CCA) of North Carolina.

On November 10, 2020 the CCA filed a lawsuit alleging that, by allowing the use of gillnets and shrimp trawls, the State has violated the NC Constitution and/or the public trust doctrine by failing to protect our coastal fisheries resources.

Among their many allegations, the CCA claims the State of NC has shown a bias towards the fishing industry by “allowing the commercial fishing industry to dictate or exert a disproportional influence on the States coastal fisheries resources management policies and plans.”

They assert that this alleged bias has, in part, resulted in the mismanagement of our marine resources, violating the public trust doctrine and recreational angler’s constitutional rights.

The CCA’s view – that recreational fishing is a constitutional right which cannot be infringed upon, while commercial fishing is a narrow, limited privilege afforded only by statute – is not a view shared by the NCFA.

We believe all stakeholders, recreational, commercial, and consumer have a right to access our marine resources and a duty to protect them for future generations.

With this in mind the NCFA felt obligated to protect the interest of our members and those who rely on commercial fishermen as their source to access NC seafood.

Along with our motion to intervene we have filed a proposed motion requesting the dismissal of the CCA lawsuit against the State.

Regardless of the outcome of these motions the NCFA will address, in court or publicly, each false claim put forward by the CCA.

If you would like to contribute/donate to NCFA to help with this lawsuit, please make checks payable to:
NCFA Legal Fund
PO Box 86
Morehead City, NC 28557

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Old 01-29-2021, 12:00 PM
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Thanks for the update Rick!
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Thanks for the update.

Rick, can you confirm which part of the NCFA release confirms this point - the point about regulatory capture of the state by the commercial industry.
I'm just not seeing that confirmed by their statement. I see them stating that CCA is alleging that, but not them confirming it.

Yeah,..... Iii"mm.... not going to be donating to NCFA. Other than occasionally purchasing locally caught seafood I don't catch myself.


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Originally Posted by CAP1 View Post
Thanks for the update.

Rick, can you confirm which part of the NCFA release confirms this point - the point about regulatory capture of the state by the commercial industry.
I'm just not seeing that confirmed by their statement. I see them stating that CCA is alleging that, but not them confirming it.

Yeah,..... Iii"mm.... not going to be donating to NCFA. Other than occasionally purchasing locally caught seafood I don't catch myself.
That was tongue in cheek. The NCFA is going to fight the "state's" battle for them...and pay for it. Actually, the NCFA is going to fight their own battle because they either think the "State" isn't capable of doing their bidding any longer (regulatory capture) or...it's possible the NCFA is truly afraid the "State" wants this to go to court so a judge can take the monkey off the back of the legislative and the executive branches. Long needed change can be blamed on "the judge". The last thing the NCFA wants is for a jury to hear either the CFRG or the CCA lawsuits. The NCFA, actually the big trawler/dealers it represents, are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to hire the best law firms in NC and Virginia to keep either lawsuit from moving forward. When they do move forward, they will spend hundreds of thousands more trying to suppress evidence and testimony. CFRG has already seen that in the motions to dismiss.

Both lawsuits need grass-roots support from our recreational anglers and conservationists. There were 458,606 recreational licenses sold in 2019 that had coastal saltwater fishing privilege. That doesn't include previously purchased lifetime licenses or those fishing under a charter boat or pier blanket license.

A freshwater annual NC inland fishing license is $25. A coastal recreational fishing license is $16. If all the recreational anglers that fish in coastal waters would just contribute that $9 difference to these lawsuits, the battle would be won. In my opinion if freshwater fishing is worth $25, saltwater fishing has to be worth $25.

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Iíll look back through the pages to find the link to donate.
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Originally Posted by Skunked22 View Post
Iíll look back through the pages to find the link to donate.
CCA link in the original post above takes you right to the donation page.

CFRG link above...just scroll to the bottom of the page and look for the donation box-


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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
CCA link in the original post above takes you right to the donation page.

CFRG link above...just scroll to the bottom of the page and look for the donation box-

thanks Rick!
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Sorry, not researching it but what lawfirm is the money going too?
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McGuireWoods. Mike Easley.

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McGuireWoods. Mike Easley. Gov Seasleyís son.
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Thanks Rick. Donated
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Originally Posted by steve a59 View Post
Thanks Rick. Donated
Thank you! Also thank you for all the PMs telling me that you've donated.

In 2015 over 3,000 people took the time to write public comment, sign a petition and/or attend a meeting to personally make public comment for sustainable management of Southern flounder. The DMF failed us and we are now having to take draconian measures on flounder- a 45-day season with a one fish creel limit starting this year.

The system is broken. We will continue to see reductions in seasons, limits and outright closures. Lawsuits are the only answer.

Some will and have donated a lot, but it will not be enough to fight the deep pockets of the dealers that control fisheries in NC. Everyone can help by donating a little.

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Donated to NCCFRG. Already a regular donor to CCA.

Challenge time:
Contribute when another poster shows proof of donation.

I’ll start. First one willing to show proof of donation to either org (DM me or in thread), I will make another $50 donation and show proof in thread.

Who is in?

And to keep this boating related...I didn’t take the boat out today....sent a reel out for service and cleaned some dock lines instead. I also don’t like the cold.



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Iím not being a d1ck and I do believe this is the right way to go instead of previous attempts. I guess my question is, is there a certain amount the lawyers need to fight this initially? Or are people just supposed to throw unlimited amount of money to a lawyer? Donít beat me up too bad
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I don't think that's a bad question to ask and it would be nice if there was a stated goal to raise.

Without that info, I look at it differently....What's it worth to you to better our fishery? Or to ensure that it's healthy for your kids?
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Originally Posted by glvilm View Post
I don't think that's a bad question to ask and it would be nice if there was a stated goal to raise.

Without that info, I look at it differently....What's it worth to you to better our fishery? Or to ensure that it's healthy for your kids?
I donít wont to get into a p1ssing match and argue this and that. Giving a lawyer an ďunlimitedĒ amount of money is dangerous. Iíve had bad experiences and just wondering if there were set goals,financially and legal results. Again, donít kick me in the nuts
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
Thank you! Also thank you for all the PMs telling me that you've donated.

The DMF failed us and we are now having to take draconian measures on flounder- a 45-day season with a one fish creel limit starting this year.
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Have you seen it confirmed a one fish limit for 2021?
I have been waiting, but have not seen it published anywhere to date.
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Originally Posted by THT Mod 15 View Post
Have you seen it confirmed a one fish limit for 2021?
I have been waiting, but have not seen it published anywhere to date.
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Originally Posted by THT Mod 15 View Post
Have you seen it confirmed a one fish limit for 2021?
I have been waiting, but have not seen it published anywhere to date.
during the November meeting the board suggested many different ideas. I personally didnít care for the, some ideas were as follows....

change the quota for rec guys. Currently itís about 70/30. 30 being the rec guys. Some thoughts were to raise it to 50/50.

another thought was to go to 1 fish.

another thought that I interpreted was to go to 1 fish and by extending the season by a week to increase the quota to just say 50/50. I do not think that giving an extra week will change much.

the board was asked to think about it and get ready for the vote during the February meeting.

this is all I know.
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Originally Posted by THT Mod 15 View Post
Have you seen it confirmed a one fish limit for 2021?
I have been waiting, but have not seen it published anywhere to date.
Itís not been decided, but that seems to be the equivalency that is being targeted. The calculation may be 1/day for 45 or 2/day with a shorter split season. Bottom line, itís a failure. Itís possible recs pick-up com quota for a 50/50 split, which would change the rec season and creel limit. Itís still a failure, a twenty year failure.

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