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Old 10-12-2020, 03:01 PM
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Old 10-12-2020, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
But they said gill nets don't do that
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Damn shame!
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They keep talking about selective, well, that net was Relatively selective In the size fish it caught. Just an idiot set it, whoever it was should lose their license and fined heavily. Iím a pro-gillnet guy, BUT I have zero patience for the guys who are either lazy, incompetent, or both. In my former life, most of the guys I worked with were true professionals, and I never ever saw anything like this from them. Marine Patrol should be focused on things like this, instead of stopping boats to check fire extinguishers, that should be secondary. Also, the net wasnít anchored on private property. That is Spartina low marsh, which is below the high tide line. Private property ends at the transition from high Juncus marsh to low marsh.
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That's a dam* shame.
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Call me crazy but that thing is a mile long and full of fish that not even a starving dog would eat. Thatís a shame. Itís lining the pockets of our states wildlife leaders so itís just fine and dandy
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Watch towards the end of video, watch for the navigation marker. The poster of this video to FB stated twice that it was the Newport River.

Many of you will remember the photo below. If memory serves me, it was taken by Capt Gordon Churchill-also in the Newport River. I remember at the time a discussion of the guy being notorious for failure to work his net.

Inshore gillnets have to go.





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Regardless of how you feel about nets, I think everyone can agree its a shame to see the resource wasted like that. I guess the crabs gotta eat too..
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
Watch towards the end of video, watch for the navigation marker. The poster of this video to FB stated twice that it was the Newport River.

Many of you will remember the photo below. If memory serves me, it was taken by Capt Gordon Churchill-also in the Newport River. I remember at the time a discussion of the guy being notorious for failure to work his net.

Inshore gillnets have to go.


And how do we do THAT?
Been trying for years, and haven't moved the ball one inch forward on the matter.

This of all things would improve all NC inshore and nearshore fishing.
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Originally Posted by lcg8978 View Post
Regardless of how you feel about nets, I think everyone can agree its a shame to see the resource wasted like that. I guess the crabs gotta eat too..
Havenít you heard, crabs canít fend for themselves. Thank god for unsustainable gillnets and shrimp trawl bycatch. Those poor crabs-

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And how do we do THAT?
Been trying for years, and haven't moved the ball one inch forward on the matter.

This of all things would improve all NC inshore and nearshore fishing.
The courts. The legislature and administration (past, present and future) are bought by a handful of big fish dealers. Thatís not going to change until the courts force it.
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The only way anything will ever happen is if we organize as a group. Here is a organization you may want to look at and decide if it is worth supporting, https://www.nccfrg.org. The group is headed up by Joe Albea, he was the person who produced the Carolina Outdoor Journal.

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And how do we do THAT?
Been trying for years, and haven't moved the ball one inch forward on the matter.

This of all things would improve all NC inshore and nearshore fishing.
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
The courts. The legislature and administration (past, present and future) are bought by a handful of big fish dealers. Thatís not going to change until the courts force it.
No doubt. And I fully support this effort.

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The only way anything will ever happen is if we organize as a group. Here is a organization you may want to look at and decide if it is worth supporting, https://www.nccfrg.org. The group is headed up by Joe Albea, he was the person who produced the Carolina Outdoor Journal.
Very familiar with Joe and this group. Let's hope they can make SOME headway in limiting the damage commercial fishing practices, and corruption related to it are having on our fisheries.
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Originally Posted by CAP1 View Post
And how do we do THAT?
Been trying for years, and haven't moved the ball one inch forward on the matter.

This of all things would improve all NC inshore and nearshore fishing.

North Carolina has been a laughingstock for decades for their atrocious fisheries non management and the "Kill nets" are the biggest reason . It's criminal what they continue to allow to happen. Don't turn the other way declare all out war this cannot continue. Who are the people behind this insanity , their names need to be advertised and N.C citizens need to know who they are . They need to become well known to as many people as possible .

When nobody really knows who the main culprits are they will never change , force them to take as much heat from the fishing public and just concerned citizens in general . Make them as uncomfortable as possible. I'm not advocating for violence i'm advocating for them to become famous for the wrong reasons .

I used to witness gill netters in front of my house regularly , they used to completely block off a small creek with their nets on the beginning of the outgoing tide . I made sure i was out there the entire time watching intently and filming , they disappeared because i made it extremely uncomfortable for them .

This crap has gone on way way too long , it MUST STOP NOW . Do not look the other way.
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Charter captain saves sea turtle from certain death, caught in a gill net

OAK ISLAND, N.C. (WECT) - On a typical sunset cruise last week in Brunswick County, Charter Captain Jeff Williamson saw something that caught his eye and it just didn’t look right. It was a cluster of gill net floats.
https://www.wect.com/2020/10/13/char...ught-gill-net/
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Follow Florida's lead.

We had the same corruption.

People got tired of it and we got it on the ballot.
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
Follow Florida's lead.

We had the same corruption.

People got tired of it and we got it on the ballot.

I wish we could in NC, but our constitution doesn't allow for statewide initiatives or referendums.
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
I wish we could in NC, but our constitution doesn't allow for statewide initiatives or referendums.
Rick, then how do we do it?
Lawsuits..... maybe, but they take time and there is always a loophole.

I see gillnets almost every day, in some of the narrowest stretches of ICW and rivers anywhere. A lot of these are mom and pop operations, but the commercial guys are here too. The comms seem to hit honey holes at night so as to hide their operations.

Winning at the voting booth will take time, and during this time, the fisheries are still being decimated daily.

Rick, do you have, or can we get, a list of State representatives and senators who are favorable to fisheries reform. And also, those in power who refuse to advance fisheries reform bills, or allow them to come to a vote. I realize there is a lot of back -room politicking and all out threats to those who would help in the cause.
What herbcccc said - we need to out these people in state government who are part of the problem.
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
I wish we could in NC, but our constitution doesn't allow for statewide initiatives or referendums.
Well, that sucks!

Best approach is to get the treehuggers riled up. Keep showing turtles, dolphins and the like and those yahoos will start throwing money at the cause.

I was a netter in Florida for many years and it is very hard on the fishery so I feel your pain. There are still quite a few outlaws running nets but now if they catch you it's a felony here. My FWC buddy just made a case and the charges included a baby dolphin in possession. The guy is toast!
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Originally Posted by CAP1 View Post
Rick, then how do we do it?
Lawsuits..... maybe, but they take time and there is always a loophole.

I see gillnets almost every day, in some of the narrowest stretches of ICW and rivers anywhere. A lot of these are mom and pop operations, but the commercial guys are here too. The comms seem to hit honey holes at night so as to hide their operations.

Winning at the voting booth will take time, and during this time, the fisheries are still being decimated daily.

Rick, do you have, or can we get, a list of State representatives and senators who are favorable to fisheries reform. And also, those in power who refuse to advance fisheries reform bills, or allow them to come to a vote. I realize there is a lot of back -room politicking and all out threats to those who would help in the cause.
What herbcccc said - we need to out these people in state government who are part of the problem.
Lawsuits are the quickest way to address fisheries issues. The CFRG has one working through federal court right now. Another group is working on the final touches to a lawsuit to be filed in state court.

The federal ITP for sea turtles expires in 2023. We need to be ready to file a lawsuit to stop renewal of that permit. An ITP is based on need. There is zero need for large mesh flounder nets given the current state of the southern flounder stock- commercial gigs and pound nets can land every pound the quota will allow. History shows that pound nets are capable of landing 100% of the proposed 390,493 total quota.







You are wasting your time asking the legislature for immediate action. I had a personal conversation with Phil Berger at a fundraiser in January. Berger point-blank told me that he will allow zero fishery reform issues to move forward that puts a single member of his coastal caucus in jeopardy. When I asked Berger if the courts were our only option, he replied- yes. A court win gives the legislature cover. This is not a republican or democrat issues- they both suck when it comes to fisheries reform and they are both in the pockets of the large fish dealers.

Basnight/Perdue would not give reform a majority at the table. McCrory and Cooper gave reform a majority at the table but then blocked action through DEQ and DOJ. Cooper has since taken away the resource's majority. Commercials/DMF/DEQ/DOJ control the MFC five to four.

Recreational/Resource supporters better get aligned with a lawsuit or learn to live with management through collapsed stocks. DEQ/DMF game plan is to let things get so bad that no one can argue that action must be taken. In the case of Southern flounder, you can see that the recreational sector will shoulder the majority of the recovery burden.


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