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Old 10-16-2020, 02:39 PM
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100% of all money is going to the legal fight. CFRG has zero paid staff. CFRG is run by volunteers passionate about fisheries reform. Donations are keeping the lawyers paid.

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Old 10-16-2020, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GMW View Post
100% of all money is going to the legal fight. CFRG has zero paid staff. CFRG is run by volunteers passionate about fisheries reform. Donations are keeping the lawyers paid.

Just made my donation
Thank you. If 5% would give $100, this fight would be over.
Old 10-16-2020, 06:06 PM
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I would like to see CFRG use at least some of the donations on PR - PR to educate the rest of the state west of I95 on the fisheries issues at hand. I believe that would at least get some attention to the state of fisheries affairs in NC - most of the fish are sent out of state (or the country), the amount of $ spent on recreational versus commercial fishing, the political issues, the trawling issues, the gillnet issues.

I personally believe this would go a long way to getting elected representatives to be willing to stand with us on voting issues, and bringing about changes at the State level.
No one wants the Feds involved, but at this point, it may be the only hope to save our fisheries.

We need more than a One Size Fits All management zones - the waters west of the Cape Fear River should be managed way differently than the larger bodies of water like the Pamlico and Albemarle Sounds. They are all completely different fisheries and should not be managed in the same ways. Trawling in internal waters of the Pamlico and Albemarle affects the fish populations very differently than waters in Brunswick County to the SC line.
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CFRF isn’t funded or staffed to provide that function. NCCFRG is focused on lawsuits. It’s not a new group. Google it. Old hits will come up. CFRG was involved in the Beasley lawsuit that resulted in the ITPs. Joe was heavily involved in the OLF fight with the Navy.

https://www.nccfrg.org/

The Sound Economy group is working on education/awareness. They have plenty of cash backing them. They’ve hired Chuck Fuller at The Results Company. They have the political connections. It will take years.

https://www.ncsoundeconomy.com/about





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So what exact stance is this? No gillnets of any mesh size in inshore waters? Would that be inside the inlets or out to 3 miles? Where do you stand on pound nets?
Old 10-16-2020, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by westco View Post
So what exact stance is this? No gillnets of any mesh size in inshore waters? Would that be inside the inlets or out to 3 miles? Where do you stand on pound nets?
I can’t speak to a specific gillnet “stance” for the CFRG. As stated in several posts above- the CFRG Is focused currently on trawling. Once that lawsuit is resolved, the goal is to focus next on gillnet reform. Those reform goals will be developed. Pound nets aren’t on the radar screen.
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
I can’t speak to a specific gillnet “stance” for the CFRG. As stated in several posts above- the CFRG Is focused currently on trawling. Once that lawsuit is resolved, the goal is to focus next on gillnet reform. Those reform goals will be developed. Pound nets aren’t on the radar screen.
understood, from what I gather, most of the issues arise from gillnets in constricted, small coastal creeks and ICWW. Are these areas generally classified primary or secondary nurseries?
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Originally Posted by westco View Post
understood, from what I gather, most of the issues arise from gillnets in constricted, small coastal creeks and ICWW. Are these areas generally classified primary or secondary nurseries?
The link below shows all designated nursery areas. Click on the link and then the area for review.

Photo is for overview and is not interactive.

NCDEQ - Primary Nursery Areas




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is there a simple, short, easy to understand fb post with a link to donate that we can all share on FB? Everybody needs to ask all their FB friends to share! Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
CAP1

CFRF isn’t funded or staffed to provide that function. NCCFRG is focused on lawsuits. It’s not a new group. Google it. Old hits will come up. CFRG was involved in the Beasley lawsuit that resulted in the ITPs. Joe was heavily involved in the OLF fight with the Navy.

https://www.nccfrg.org/

The Sound Economy group is working on education/awareness. They have plenty of cash backing them. They’ve hired Chuck Fuller at The Results Company. They have the political connections. It will take years.

https://www.ncsoundeconomy.com/about
Rick,
I understand the CFRG group, and it's current focus.

As far as the Sound Economy group - almost all the links on their site are 3 years old - ancient in current times. Plus all that site seems is glossy feel good PR (or BS). If this group is the education awareness front of fisheries change in NC, we're in no better shape. They will have to very much step up their game if they are to have any impact. I never even heard of this group before now, and I live on the coast.
If they have cash, seems like either they are sitting on it, or not using it as best they could if fisheries management change is the goal.
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CAP- They’re bypassing the long and arduous process of building a grassroots public awareness campaign and effort. The are going straight to the guys on Jones Street.
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
CAP- They’re bypassing the long and arduous process of building a grassroots public awareness campaign and effort. The are going straight to the guys on Jones Street.
That's all fine and well. but we need voters and politicians with balls to ever change the rules that have entrenched the process.
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Originally Posted by matthewmon View Post
is there a simple, short, easy to understand fb post with a link to donate that we can all share on FB? Everybody needs to ask all their FB friends to share! Thanks!
I’ll see what we can do on the FB post.

I did talk with the IT/PR volunteer and he created a stand alone donation page. Here is the link

https://www.nccfrg.org/contribute-now

Please post and share anywhere you can.

Thanks
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
I’ll see what we can do on the FB post.

I did talk with the IT/PR volunteer and he created a stand alone donation page. Here is the link

https://www.nccfrg.org/contribute-now

Please post and share anywhere you can.

Thanks
MUCH more simple-er.

And for those considering donating, you DO get a confirmation email that should be good for tax purposes.

Keep it going guys. We CAN make a difference in NC fisheries management.
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Bump to keep this thread alive. Keep the ideas coming.

6,300 views over a week is not enough interests in this topic. Should be 30,000+, on this site.

The sea turtle ITP renewal will happen. Don’t wait till 2023 to find out. It’s not there to hang your hat on.

Yes donate to the CCA/legal fund. Alot. But, unless we can flood the halls with numbers, REPRESENTING a few million fisherman, status quo will prevail.

Call your representatives. Often and have the talking points ready to go. The more that call the more effective a simple call will make. They are probably tired of hearing from Rick, I know one legislator who is. This is a good thing; we need a few million more Ricks. Call, emails, etc. Trips to Raleigh are a waste of time. If you have cash, find your way into a private fund raiser.

Suiing over a potential Clean Water Act violation is pissing into the wind. Sorry Joe et al. But, I am hoping the wind changes direction and Joe prevails.

Work with the commercial fisherman, not against them. If you can’t beat them, maybe they will agree a problem exists and things will happen. just a maybe.

Stop bashing the CCA. The CCA is well organized and they are here now. They have worked hard for decades and have seen all the pitfalls. They walk the halls. They are at every MFC meeting. They care. Why re-learn what they have experienced? Join them.

Don’t waste your time on the MFC. Your public comments are not considered. Phone calls are ignored. AC’s are hand picked. Let the CCA handle this part and wait for a "call to action”. Then help out.

Do more than be a keyboard cowboy.

Good fishing.

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Old 10-19-2020, 06:09 AM
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Blue Moon- I wouldn't dismiss the CFRG so soon. I've read the Motions to Dismiss, several times. One of the defendants has admitted that dumping bycatch is a pollutant and a trawler is a point-source discharge. That's huge. They've made the case that the CWA never intended for that action to be regulated and if the feds do regulate it, then every grandfather fishing with a grandchild throwing back hook-and-line discards will have to be regulated. Obviously they forget about long-standing rulings with de minimis exemptions. Once the judge rules that CFRG has standing and cause, I hope we'll see national environmental groups come to the table in support.

I agree 100% about the CCA. They are organized and engaged everyday- 24/7/365. If someone wants to know one organization to donate to for fisheries reform, I will always recommend the CCA.

I'm personally supporting the CCA, NCCFRG and the NCWF. There is synergy between all three.
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Is there currently any or scheduled fundraisers for the NCCFRG?

Could we do a tournament style fundraiser? Getting prizes donated from businesses that directly benefit from the recs?

Golf outings have always done well for fund raising. Perhaps we could do a tournment that is geared towards surf fishing and boating. Different categories.

It would help raise money,, but also awareness.

What are some other guys thoughts? I've already donated, but want to do more.

If we could get something like this off the ground, it could go viral, at least west of 95.

Something like all entrance fees are 100 percent donated. Awards for competition are donated by businesbusinesses. Other prizes would be raffled..

My dad up in Michigan fishes a tournament called walleye willy. They have to limit participants because of the size. After the day of fishing, everybody cleans the catch and has a huge fish fry.
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Originally Posted by Codycat View Post
Is there currently any or scheduled fundraisers for the NCCFRG?

Could we do a tournament style fundraiser? Getting prizes donated from businesses that directly benefit from the recs?

Golf outings have always done well for fund raising. Perhaps we could do a tournment that is geared towards surf fishing and boating. Different categories.

It would help raise money,, but also awareness.

What are some other guys thoughts? I've already donated, but want to do more.

If we could get something like this off the ground, it could go viral, at least west of 95.

Something like all entrance fees are 100 percent donated. Awards for competition are donated by businesbusinesses. Other prizes would be raffled..

My dad up in Michigan fishes a tournament called walleye willy. They have to limit participants because of the size. After the day of fishing, everybody cleans the catch and has a huge fish fry.
I'm in on a tournament. I think that's a good idea. Someone talk to chasin tails. They push out tournaments all the time.
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Fundraisers are great and nothing is more fun than a good tournament. I'll suggest the idea to Joe.

For now...guys, please share the CFRG fundraising link. Please click on the link and use a credit card or write those checks to mail! I've contributed to the NCCFRG and plan on doing so again as the suit works through the courts.

Putting my money where my mouth is in post #76 above- I paid for a lifetime membership to CCA this morning. CCA is working hard and getting ready to file their own legal action to support our fisheries. National will keep a nominal part of the lifetime membership to cover annual membership cost and the rest stays local. I designated that local portion to the NC-CCA legal fund. I also donated an extra $100 to cover the part national keeps and to cover credit card fees...bottom line, NC-CCA legal fund gets a $1000. Money well spent to support the fight for sustainable fisheries in NC.


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I received the following question in my inbox- Hope this prevails but just thinking out loud what if they prevent them from dumping dead fish back in the sound but allow them to keep and sell. Could that lead to a greater problem for the fisheries?

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That would be a huge problem for the legislature and administration. Current statute and rule keeps the trawlers from retaining more than 5,000 pounds per trip. To increase that limit would require a bill passing both the house and senate with the governor's signature. Making them bring the fish back to the dock would over-whelm the system and be a huge eye-opener. The problem could no longer be denied. A reduction industry would have to be established to make fish meal.

I recently asked DMF for those recorded landings (trip tickets) to see how many pounds of bycatch. It's not many recently.

My communication with DMF on the subject-
Does the Division monitor the level of "scrap fish" sold under the rules below? Is it reported on a Trip Ticket?


15A NCAC 03M .0102 UNMARKETABLE FINFISH

(a) It shall be unlawful to land finfish, taken in connection with a commercial fishing operation, that are unmarketable as individual finfish by reason of size, except a quantity not exceeding 5,000 pounds per vessel per day may be sold to a dealer that is licensed under G.S. 113-169.3(f)(6), (7), or (8).

(b) Atlantic menhaden, Atlantic thread herring, gizzard shad, and pinfish are exempt from this Rule.


History Note: Authority G.S. 113-134; 113-182; 113-185; 143B-289.52; Eff. January 1, 1991; Amended Eff. October 1, 2008; Readopted April 1, 2019.



15A NCAC 03M .0103 MINIMUM SIZE LIMITS

It shall be unlawful to possess, sell, or purchase finfish under four inches in length except:

(1) as bait in the crab pot fishery in North Carolina, if such crab pot bait is not transported west of U.S. Interstate 95 and, when transported, is accompanied by documentation showing the name and address of the shipper, the name and address of the consignee, and the total weight of the shipment;



(2) bait in the finfish fishery with the following provisions:
(a) it shall be unlawful to possess more than 200 pounds of live finfish or 100 pounds of dead finfish; and

(b) such finfish bait is not transported outside of North Carolina;


(3) live finfish in aquaria, provided that the finfish are not subject to other minimum size limits under the authority of Marine Fisheries Commission rules; and



(4) Atlantic menhaden, Atlantic thread herring, gizzard shad, and pinfish.



Bait dealers who possess a valid finfish dealer license from the Division of Marine Fisheries shall be exempt from Sub-Items (2)(a) and (b) of this Rule. Tolerance of not more than five percent by number of species shall be allowed.



History Note: Authority G.S. 113-134; 113-182; 113-185; 143B-289.52; Eff. July 1, 1993; Amended Eff. April 1, 2014; Readopted Eff. April 1, 2019. ​
The Division's reply back-


To address your first question: “Rule dictates that unmarketable finfish be bought and sold through a dealer, therefore a trip ticket would be required- correct?”



Any seafood bought and sold through a dealer must be reported on a trip ticket.



To address your second inquiry “how many pounds of shrimp trawl bycatch is sold from the Pamlico Sound under 15A NCAC 03M .0102 UNMARKETABLE FINFISH?”



Table 1 below from the trip ticket program shows from otter trawls in Pamlico Sound for 2010-2019 the reported marketed landings of shrimp and finfish. Also included are the number of participants and trips.



Table 1. Number of participants, number of trips, pounds of shrimp and pounds of finfish sold from otter trawls fishing in Pamlico Sound, 2010 through 2019. Data from the NC Trip Ticket Program, Division of Marine Fisheries


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