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Old 08-24-2020, 08:48 PM
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After a couple years of running a small 3 to 4 line rod tip spread from the gunnels, I added a few lines last year and started using tag lines while HST. I eventually realized, once the mainline is tight to the rubber band/tagline that there is no longer any strain being put on the reel. You can peel slack line off the reel if you wanted to, the tension from the lure/sinker is being held by the rigger until the strike and the band breaks. With that being said, are yíall still using the same amount of heavy drag you use while dragging lures from the rod tips or dialing it back a good bit. I could be wrong, but in my limited experience it seemed to me that once you get a fish on, all the drag nessicary to stop the reels from creeping is almost overkill. Find ourselves backing off the drag while hooked up even sometimes. I canít remember ever losing a fish as it came out of the rigger, maybe a few here and there but not at any higher ratio then to the lines dragging from the rod tips. That leads me to the old way of thought ďif it ainít broke donít fix itĒ, but just was curious how yíall were running it. Thanks
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I have never HST from the riggers as I want the line as close to the water as I can get it, thus bent butt rods but I do always use tag line for center rigger and out riggers when pulling big lures only to help set the hook and to eliminate some of the dropback, I do think you are right about not using as much drag with the tag line setup when HST if you wanted. I never back off the drag, I use heavy enough tackle to take care of the required drag. Just me.
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I use 2 tag lines while HST, I set the drags on those reels with a scale to the 30% of the line weight. The other 3 rods are set to stop the drag from pulling. I use 5 bent butts.
Works well for me.
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We've tried the tag line a few times and have the drag set about 50% less than the rod tip lines. I like how they get the lures in clean water but I also have concerns that the momentary loss of tension when the rubber band pops until its tight on the rod gives the fish a moment of slack and potentially a chance to throw the hook. Hasn't happened yet but I could see it happening.
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Originally Posted by tridogs View Post
We've tried the tag line a few times and have the drag set about 50% less than the rod tip lines. I like how they get the lures in clean water but I also have concerns that the momentary loss of tension when the rubber band pops until its tight on the rod gives the fish a moment of slack and potentially a chance to throw the hook. Hasn't happened yet but I could see it happening.
Thanks for your reply, I also am a fan of the lures getting out into the clean water. Got a lot of bites on those lines this year. I havenít lost one from the slack yet either, Iím thinking itís really such a short amount of time when youíre dragging the lures so fast, a lot different then a bait coming out the clip meat fishing imo. Only weird thing Iíve ever had happen with the tag lines was I once had the rubber band cut through braid and break me off. Still canít figure out that one. Waxed loops on all the tags and flats from there hadnít had it happen since.
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Originally Posted by flbluerunner View Post
I use 2 tag lines while HST, I set the drags on those reels with a scale to the 30% of the line weight. The other 3 rods are set to stop the drag from pulling. I use 5 bent butts.
Works well for me.
thanks, sounds like we run a similar spread, is your fifth line a short flat or a shotgun? My starboard rigger has been the long, nervous to put one past it as a shotgun.. was thinking they would tangle due to the difference in the angle of the lines
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We usually run the same drag. I want that hook setting. Iíll drag it to death. Not worried about the coming out if weíre high speeding.

That being said we had a weak rubber band one time and it popped so we put two bands on that line. The braid broke ahead of the two rubber bands. Only knock down all day.
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My 5th rod is the shotgun.
I run 2 at the transom with 48oz weights or heavier.
2 two tag lines staggered, one at 125 feet one at 175 feet. 32oz weights.
The shotgun is a 225 feet. 16oz weight.

I turn fairly quick without issue normally 16 knots.
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Originally Posted by flbluerunner View Post
My 5th rod is the shotgun.
I run 2 at the transom with 48oz weights or heavier.
2 two tag lines staggered, one at 125 feet one at 175 feet. 32oz weights.
The shotgun is a 225 feet. 16oz weight.

I turn fairly quick without issue normally 16 knots.

Wow. We run 5 as well. You run yours close.

We run 75/150/225/300/350 or a 400
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Originally Posted by flbluerunner View Post

My 5th rod is the shotgun.
I run 2 at the transom with 48oz weights or heavier.
2 two tag lines staggered, one at 125 feet one at 175 feet. 32oz weights.
The shotgun is a 225 feet. 16oz weight.
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Wow. We run 5 as well. You run yours close.

We run 75/150/225/300/350 or a 400
350/275/200/125/ then a short flat line out a rubber band to the transom that we donít mark and have varied the distance on depending on conditions
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Ok, if we donít have the ďbig gunĒ rods and reels, can we pull two lines on the transom corners with rubber bands holding the line? Get the lures out, then let the rubber bands hold the line until strike. Iím fishing with International 30ís.

Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by wcsmall04 View Post
Ok, if we donít have the ďbig gunĒ rods and reels, can we pull two lines on the transom corners with rubber bands holding the line? Get the lures out, then let the rubber bands hold the line until strike. Iím fishing with International 30ís.

Thoughts?
Id try it. But make sure the hooks are sharp and slow down quicker than normal when you get a bite. Itís amazing the pressure the bands will hold.
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Originally Posted by wcsmall04 View Post
Ok, if we donít have the ďbig gunĒ rods and reels, can we pull two lines on the transom corners with rubber bands holding the line? Get the lures out, then let the rubber bands hold the line until strike. Iím fishing with International 30ís.

Thoughts?
Originally Posted by Rferrell View Post
Id try it. But make sure the hooks are sharp and slow down quicker than normal when you get a bite. Itís amazing the pressure the bands will hold.
I say try it as well, we have ran two flats before to get in a 6th line and it worked fine .. Iíd fill the 30s up with 100# braid

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I run HST from outriggers using modified roller-trollers. More productive with the lures in clean water for sure. I don’t need tag lines due to my outrigger position.

What kind of rubber bands are you using for HST? The “natural” ones, or the black ones? Are you using them with trolling sinkers, or just bare lures?
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post
I run HST from outriggers using modified roller-trollers. More productive with the lures in clean water for sure. I donít need tag lines due to my outrigger position.

What kind of rubber bands are you using for HST? The ďnaturalĒ ones, or the black ones? Are you using them with trolling sinkers, or just bare lures?
#84 bands, we use the red Calcutta brand ones from the tackle shop. Always with a sinker
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Originally Posted by Lone Ono View Post
I run HST from outriggers using modified roller-trollers. More productive with the lures in clean water for sure. I donít need tag lines due to my outrigger position.

What kind of rubber bands are you using for HST? The ďnaturalĒ ones, or the black ones? Are you using them with trolling sinkers, or just bare lures?

We use the natural. Number 64 I think. But fishing braid you have to do a waxed look or else it will snap the braid on a strike. Theyíll hold 48 oz. weights. Amazing actually.
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I use black #64 rubberbands, found they hold up better then white.
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Originally Posted by HoneyB View Post
#84 bands, we use the red Calcutta brand ones from the tackle shop. Always with a sinker
Originally Posted by Rferrell View Post
We use the natural. Number 64 I think. But fishing braid you have to do a waxed look or else it will snap the braid on a strike. Theyíll hold 48 oz. weights. Amazing actually.
Originally Posted by flbluerunner View Post
I use black #64 rubberbands, found they hold up better then white.
Thanks all, I may try rubber bands on my shorts.

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