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Old 01-28-2020, 11:53 AM
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Date: Jan. 28, 2020

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Recreational creel limit decreases for bluefish



MOREHEAD CITY – The creel limit for recreationally-caught bluefish will decrease on Feb. 1 in North Carolina coastal waters.



The creel limit will drop to three fish per person, per day for recreational fishermen fishing from the shore, pier, private vessel, or in any way other than with a for-hire operation.



Recreational fishermen fishing on for-hire vessels (charter boats, head boats, guide boats) can possess up to five bluefish per person, per day.



For the specific regulations, see Proclamation FF-1-2020.



The creel limit reduction complies with the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council/Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission Bluefish Fishery Management Plan and, in conjunction with action taken by other states, is intended to reduce the coastwide recreational harvest from Maine to Florida by 28.6% to prevent exceeding the 2020 recreational harvest limit. The latest coastwide stock assessment determined that bluefish are overfished but overfishing is not occurring. The coastwide commercial bluefish quota is also reduced in 2020. For additional information, see the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council news release.



For more information, contact Division of Marine Fisheries biologist Lee Paramore at 252-473-5734 orlee.paramore@ncdenr.gov.

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I don't keep them anyway, but I think the Kingfish guy's are not going to like this.
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Saw it also
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So now do we pen them up with names tags for who caught which one a
on which day or does the clock reset after a 24 hour soak? ...asking for a friend lol
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Originally Posted by Wickedfisha View Post
So now do we pen them up with names tags for who caught which one a
on which day or does the clock reset after a 24 hour soak? ...asking for a friend lol
technically a baitpen should only have a one person limit inside of it....don’t ask how I know
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Just taking em away one at a time, before to long we won't be able to keep a pinfish
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Was there a change to commercial limits?
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Old 01-29-2020, 09:31 AM
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Below is the recreational angler bag limit in NC for prized inshore species either as table fare or sport-
  • 4- Spotted Seatrout (provided the season isn't closed for a cold-stun event)
  • 1- Red Drum
  • 0- CSMA Striped Bass
  • 0- Flounder (except in a proposed 45-day window during Aug-Sept)
  • 3- Bluefish (except 5-fish if on a paid for-hire guided trip)
If the above doesn't scream absolute failure, what will it take?

We are going from 15-bluefish to 3. I understand that fishery is managed by the ASMFC/MAFMC. NC sits as a member of those bodies... and please note below NC's impact on the fishery.

I am 100% against the for-hire sector having a different creel/size/season than the general recreational angler on any species. All NC recreational anglers deserve parity. I suggest that NC consider asking for conservation equivalency in order to split the extra two fish given to the for-hire sector between all recreational anglers. The problem is that the for-hire sector in NC probably doesn't land many blues. Therefore those two fish split over the smaller for-hire sector and the 100,000s of recreational anglers will not be 4-fish, it will be a fraction. Now, if they go to seasons in the future, like on flounder, then asking for conservation equivalency will work.

While I'm on the subject of the for-hire sector-
I also don't think that a fishing party should be able to keep the guide's limit. If the guide fishes and keeps his limit- fine...but to let the party catch and keep the guide's limit is not only unethical, it is illegal. If the guide didn't land those fish, then someone in the party is guilty of landing and retaining more than his/her legal limit. Legal possession limits also come into play the minute those fish go in the party's cooler and the guide relinquishes control.


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eviewing the 2015 Bluefish Benchmark Stock Assessment, the following facts are very hard to swallow-
  • NC commercial landings of bluefish standout as the second largest source of landings following NJ's recreational landings.
  • From Maine to Florida, NC is a significant driver of the total combined harvest (recreational and commercial) falling in the 75% range with commercial harvest having the greatest impact.
  • NC's commercial landings, the second largest source of total Atlantic coastwide landings are worth 60-cents per pound- dog and cat food.
  • As with Southern flounder, NC commercial fisheries' disproportionate share of the resource is unfairly penalizing the recreational sector with burdensome reductions.
  • As typical with other species, NC commercial fisheries are wasting a highly valuable limited resource that is an important economic driver of our coastal economies.








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Next in line to be shutdown.....Pin Fish.
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post

I am 100% against the for-hire sector having a different creel/size/season than the general recreational angler on any species. All NC recreational anglers deserve parity. I suggest that NC consider asking for conservation equivalency in order to split the extra two fish given to the for-hire sector between all recreational anglers. The problem is that the for-hire sector in NC probably doesn't land many blues. Therefore those two fish split over the smaller for-hire sector and the 100,000s of recreational anglers will not be 4-fish, it will be a fraction. Now, if they go to seasons in the future, like on flounder, then asking for conservation equivalency will work.

While I'm on the subject of the for-hire sector-
I also don't think that a fishing party should be able to keep the guide's limit. If the guide fishes and keeps his limit- fine...but to let the party catch and keep the guide's limit is not only unethical, it is illegal. If the guide didn't land those fish, then someone in the party is guilty of landing and retaining more than his/her legal limit. Legal possession limits also come into play the minute those fish go in the party's cooler and the guide relinquishes control.


If a species is truly in a bad enough spot that we need to either close or lower the limit then it needs to be done for all parties. The same with Flounder. If they are that bad off the Comms should have the same season as recs. The recs pay taxes to this state just like the for-hire/commercial fishermen do. I've never understood the thought of "Well (insert species) is in bad shape. But only bad enough to limit/close the recreational anglers." I know I know....."But its muh job!!!!!!". They can adapt just like rec anglers do in their day to day jobs when business changes.

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Agree again! The for-hire sector is blatantly illegal in keeping the captain's limit! Should be same limits for-hire sector as it is for me. That crowd has become meat mongers as well, main goal is to line trout up on the dock for a pic.
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Agree again! The for-hire sector is blatantly illegal in keeping the captain's limit! Should be same limits for-hire sector as it is for me. That crowd has become meat mongers as well, main goal is to line trout up on the dock for a pic.
...and while you and I are on the same page, the practice of putting fish in the livewell for high-culling so the heaviest fish are lined up on the dock at the end of the day needs to stop. There is no way those fish are being released as healthy as an immediate catch-and-release fish.
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Originally Posted by Rick S View Post
...and while you and I are on the same page, the practice of putting fish in the livewell for high-culling so the heaviest fish are lined up on the dock at the end of the day needs to stop. There is no way those fish are being released as healthy as an immediate catch-and-release fish.
Rick, I have been saying that all year as well as that is something that just started recently. I honestly have never seen anything like what we saw this year. Live wells and culling is the common practice, multiple trips to trucks, Charters lining trout on docks since April, day in and day out and of coarse the durty gill net. People are acting like a trout is the best thing in the world and there may never be another so keep all you can get, shwew.
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This is almost as bad as when they shut down Cobia for Recs except for M/W/S, yet they let For-Hire fish 7 days a week. And oh by the way they upped the size limit for Recs but kept the Commercial size limit the same. I just don't understand how a stock can be hurt only just enough to restrict Recreational Anglers.
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Next in line to be shutdown.....Pin Fish.
Lets hope not. Thats about all I catch during the summer......
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So there is nothing being done about commercial landings?
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FMP Goals and Objectives 1. Increase understanding of the stock and of the fishery 2. Provide the highest availability of bluefish to U.S. fishermen while maintaining, within limits, traditional uses of bluefish (defined as the commercial fishery not exceeding 20% of the total catch). 3. Provide for cooperation among the coastal states, the various regional marine fishery management councils, and federal agencies involved along the coast to enhance the management of bluefish throughout its range. 4. Promote compatible management regulations between State and Federal jurisdictions. 5. Prevent recruitment overfishing. 6. Reduce the waste in both the commercial and recreational fisheries. Comments: • Recreational management should focus on maximizing abundance over landings. • Consider the economic and intrinsic value of bluefish to the recreational fishery.
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How has the bite been down there? In Maine, we haven't seen a bluefish in about 20 years. NH either. They Just stopped coming up past Mass.
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Next in line to be shutdown.....Pin Fish.

Spots & Lizard Fish will be first..
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Originally Posted by spcharlton View Post
How has the bite been down there? In Maine, we haven't seen a bluefish in about 20 years. NH either. They Just stopped coming up past Mass.
They eating the transom off the boat there's so many of them.
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