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Old 12-23-2019, 05:53 AM
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Looks like bluefish which seems to be doing OK for many years now is about to be taken away or at the least severely restricted. Did not include the article but did notice that the fishing guides will not be hit that hard so that should tell us who is really behind this push to sharply restrict bluefish. Recreational bluefish limit will be slashed to just 3-per-day starting in 2020
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Post the article is you get a chance.
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Guess I need to say it is in the Island Free Press and assume that its legal to post it so here it is; The number of bluefish recreational anglers can keep per day along the entire Atlantic coast will be significantly cut in 2020 after projections that total catches will exceed an annual harvest limit set by regulators.

Last week, the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council recommended and the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission approved a three-bluefish daily limit per person, when fishing from a private boat or the shoreline, and a five-bluefish per person daily limit when on a charter boat.

Bluefish are popular among anglers because of their aggressive fight, both on light-tackle targeting smaller Taylor blues, and the larger Choppers caught on heaver rods.

The new limit’s implementation in North Carolina waters up to 3 miles offshore is pending a proclamation from the N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries that will be issued by the end of January.

The Mid-Atlantic Council, which is made up of representatives from multiple states, will forward their recommendation to the NOAA Fisheries Greater Atlantic Regional Fisheries Administrator for final approval for federal waters of 3 to 200 miles offshore.

The current daily limit of 15 fish had been in place since 2000. No minimum size limits apply to bluefish.

“The Council and Commission are fully committed to the effective conservation and management of this stock, but we also recognize that a sudden change in regulations could have severe socioeconomic consequences for some stakeholders,” said council chairman and ASMFC board member Mike Luisi.

“After evaluating a wide range of options and considering numerous comments from the public, we feel that this approach is the most fair and effective way to achieve the necessary reduction in harvest next year,” Luisi said.

According to a news release, the most recent operational assessment of the Atlantic bluefish stock concluded that the stock is overfished but not experiencing overfishing.

During their joint meeting in October, the Council and Commission adopted a recreational harvest limit of 9.48 million pounds for 2020 and 2021, which is an 18-percent decrease compared to the 2019 limit.

Using the current regulations, the recreational sector is projected to land 13.27 million pounds, which would exceed the harvest limit by 28.56 percent.

The Council and Commission considered several combinations of bag limits and minimum size limits, including options to set a single set of regulations for all fishing modes or different regulations for shore/private modes and the for-hire mode.

Although the Council’s Bluefish Monitoring Committee recommended a coastwide 3-fish bag limit, the majority of comments from the public and Bluefish Advisory Panel (members expressed opposition to this option, noting that it would have severe economic consequences for the for-hire sector, which was only responsible for 3.6 percent of coastwide landings from 2016 to 2018.

Additionally, advisory panel members and the public emphasized that these proposed reductions come at a challenging time for for-hire stakeholders as they are also facing new restrictions on striped bass, black sea bass, summer flounder, and scup.

After an extensive discussion and thorough consideration of public comments, the Council recommended and Commission approved a 3-fish bag limit for private and shore modes and a 5-fish bag limit for the for-hire mode.

The Council and Commission said they are continuing to work on development of a rebuilding plan as part of the Bluefish Allocation and Rebuilding Amendment. Additional information and updates on this action are available at Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council ? Bluefish Allocation Amendment
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
Guess I need to say it is in the Island Free Press and assume that its legal to post it so here it is; The number of bluefish recreational anglers can keep per day along the entire Atlantic coast will be significantly cut in 2020 after projections that total catches will exceed an annual harvest limit set by regulators.

Last week, the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council recommended and the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission approved a three-bluefish daily limit per person, when fishing from a private boat or the shoreline, and a five-bluefish per person daily limit when on a charter boat.

Bluefish are popular among anglers because of their aggressive fight, both on light-tackle targeting smaller Taylor blues, and the larger Choppers caught on heaver rods.

The new limit’s implementation in North Carolina waters up to 3 miles offshore is pending a proclamation from the N.C. Division of Marine Fisheries that will be issued by the end of January.

The Mid-Atlantic Council, which is made up of representatives from multiple states, will forward their recommendation to the NOAA Fisheries Greater Atlantic Regional Fisheries Administrator for final approval for federal waters of 3 to 200 miles offshore.

The current daily limit of 15 fish had been in place since 2000. No minimum size limits apply to bluefish.

“The Council and Commission are fully committed to the effective conservation and management of this stock, but we also recognize that a sudden change in regulations could have severe socioeconomic consequences for some stakeholders,” said council chairman and ASMFC board member Mike Luisi.

“After evaluating a wide range of options and considering numerous comments from the public, we feel that this approach is the most fair and effective way to achieve the necessary reduction in harvest next year,” Luisi said.

According to a news release, the most recent operational assessment of the Atlantic bluefish stock concluded that the stock is overfished but not experiencing overfishing.

During their joint meeting in October, the Council and Commission adopted a recreational harvest limit of 9.48 million pounds for 2020 and 2021, which is an 18-percent decrease compared to the 2019 limit.

Using the current regulations, the recreational sector is projected to land 13.27 million pounds, which would exceed the harvest limit by 28.56 percent.

The Council and Commission considered several combinations of bag limits and minimum size limits, including options to set a single set of regulations for all fishing modes or different regulations for shore/private modes and the for-hire mode.

Although the Council’s Bluefish Monitoring Committee recommended a coastwide 3-fish bag limit, the majority of comments from the public and Bluefish Advisory Panel (members expressed opposition to this option, noting that it would have severe economic consequences for the for-hire sector, which was only responsible for 3.6 percent of coastwide landings from 2016 to 2018.

Additionally, advisory panel members and the public emphasized that these proposed reductions come at a challenging time for for-hire stakeholders as they are also facing new restrictions on striped bass, black sea bass, summer flounder, and scup.

After an extensive discussion and thorough consideration of public comments, the Council recommended and Commission approved a 3-fish bag limit for private and shore modes and a 5-fish bag limit for the for-hire mode.

The Council and Commission said they are continuing to work on development of a rebuilding plan as part of the Bluefish Allocation and Rebuilding Amendment. Additional information and updates on this action are available at Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council ? Bluefish Allocation Amendment
​​​​​​I dont see the problem. The stock is currently overfished and needs to recover... What's the big deal? People won't be able to keep as much? How else will it get fixed? If your unwilling to ever take less than you might as well kiss it goodbye. This is just normal management.
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Originally Posted by ECU_Pirate View Post
​​​​​​I dont see the problem. The stock is currently overfished and needs to recover... What's the big deal? People won't be able to keep as much? How else will it get fixed? If your unwilling to ever take less than you might as well kiss it goodbye. This is just normal management.
Guides are Commercial and treated favorably. I still will never understand why the captain or guides limit is included in the charters limit. Talk about raping a resource for personal benefit.
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I’m in favor. Let them recover and hopefully start to get back up Into LIS.

remember, it’s a limit, much like a speed limit. Some follow and many don’t. They keep near it but always over..... some get pinched but a lot don’t.
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Guides are Commercial and treated favorably. I still will never understand why the captain or guides limit is included in the charters limit. Talk about raping a resource for personal benefit.
Lol. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing. A guides limit added to the charter is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things either. It's debatable of it's even wrong. Either way. Just seems like a lame attempt to try and drum up opposition to any kind of regulations by pitting guides against recs.
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How can 15 be okay one day, and 3 is the limit the next? The quota was exceeded by 28%, and they cut the limit by 80%. I'm all for conservation, but you need to be able to explain the rationale behind the numbers.

Clients keeping guide's limit of fish is bullshit. There is no limit on how many anyone catches, but the minute you drive away from that dock, you are in "possession" of twice as many fish as the law allows.
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If the decrease is for the fish, why is the rec limit 3 if he fishes on his own boat but 5 if he is with a guide? Nothing about that seems politically motivated. How about make it 4 for all rec's that are fishing?
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How can 15 be okay one day, and 3 is the limit the next? The quota was exceeded by 28%, and they cut the limit by 80%. I'm all for conservation, but you need to be able to explain the rationale behind the numbers.

Clients keeping guide's limit of fish is bullshit. There is no limit on how many anyone catches, but the minute you drive away from that dock, you are in "possession" of twice as many fish as the law allows.
The reduction is based on the health of the fish stock, not the quota.

I dont see how its any different if i give my limit of fish to a friend who went with me. However you want to divide up the fish after you catch them is really of no relevance.
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Originally Posted by ECU_Pirate View Post
The reduction is based on the health of the fish stock, not the quota.

I dont see how its any different if i give my limit of fish to a friend who went with me. However you want to divide up the fish after you catch them is really of no relevance.
so if you give your friend your limit and he gets stopped leaving the ramp he’s gonna get a ticket. Had a friend a few years ago catch a slot drum, gave it to his buddy fishing next to him, then proceeded to catch another slot drum. When he left he got pulled over a few miles up the beach and got a ticket for over his limit. Marine Patrol has set up a sting that day at the lookout rock Jetty and saw him give the fish away and counted it as his one fish although it wasn’t in his possession. Crazy
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Originally Posted by ECU_Pirate View Post
​​​​​​I dont see the problem. The stock is currently overfished and needs to recover... What's the big deal? People won't be able to keep as much? How else will it get fixed? If your unwilling to ever take less than you might as well kiss it goodbye. This is just normal management.
One year ago they where publishing recs were not hitting there quota and recommending giving part of the rec quota to the commercial sector.

So, instead they have did it this way.

This is why I have a problem with it.
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Why does anyone want to keep more than 3 bluefish? (fertilizer?, bait?)I know them northerns like them but in NC we have WAYYY better fish.

They are disgusting
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Why does anyone want to keep more than 3 bluefish? (fertilizer?, bait?)I know them northerns like them but in NC we have WAYYY better fish.

They are disgusting
they make great king baits..
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imagine that limiting recs to 3 per day while allowing those that pay the big money for a guide can keep 5 is hardly going to change the total amount landed in the first place since most recs don't keep a lot of bluefish to begin with. Kinda hard for little ole me to understand how bluefish is not experiencing overfishing but at the same time is overfished? . Oh well that is for someone that is in a much higher pay grade than me. I just refuse to believe people that tell me its not raining when I see the damn rain drop falling.
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Lol. It's not ideal but it's better than nothing. A guides limit added to the charter is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things either. It's debatable of it's even wrong. Either way. Just seems like a lame attempt to try and drum up opposition to any kind of regulations by pitting guides against recs.
It’s a lowly bluefish so who really cares. Just makes zero sense to me how big brother can say this guy gets 3 and this guy can have 5 and both guys are..... the “same”. Seems like yet another dangerous regulation as if it’s good for a lowly bluefish it can be good for any species. Having said all that I can’t remember the last time I kept 3 or more but I do enjoy a fresh blue.
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There is a party boat that has been sailing out of Brooklyn NY and fishing the NJ coast for many, many decades. Up through 2017 and going back at least the 35 years that I have fished there, Bluefish have been the target on that boat everyday and every trip from the time the bluefish arrive in late May until they depart around thanksgiving.

The last two years there have not been enough bluefish to target them and other bottom fishing species have been targeted. I suspect the number of those bottom fish available to catch was at an all time high due to the lack of bluefish feeding on those fish. Simply put, bluefish have been historically scarce the last two years, hence the change in regulations.

FWIW, some old time books spoke of scarce bluefish in the 1940's-1950's. They mentioned that during that time in the NY bight, that someone bringing a 5 pound bluefish to the dock was something to take note of. Hopefully the current scarcity is cyclical. IMO it is not a result of recreational anglers taking home too many bluefish. The commercial market for bluefish, not surprisingly is small so the commercial pressure should not be a big impact on the population.
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I watch a lot of John Skinner videos and he's mentioned that blues have been rare in Long island lately.
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so if you give your friend your limit and he gets stopped leaving the ramp he’s gonna get a ticket. Had a friend a few years ago catch a slot drum, gave it to his buddy fishing next to him, then proceeded to catch another slot drum. When he left he got pulled over a few miles up the beach and got a ticket for over his limit. Marine Patrol has set up a sting that day at the lookout rock Jetty and saw him give the fish away and counted it as his one fish although it wasn’t in his possession. Crazy
Thats just dumb. When me and my dad go fishing we know we are allowed 4 trout each or 8 trout total. Sometimes i catch 5-6 and he catches 2-3 or vice versa. Either way we stop at 8. Guess we have been breaking the law the whole time? When a boat is checked im pretty sure they only count how many fish you have in relation to license holders. they dont ask who caught them. Thats why i dont care if the guides fish are counted toward the total. They are deciding to share their fish, its not like they caught more than would be allowed under any other circumstances.

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