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Old 10-16-2019, 08:29 AM
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Were they actually tail slapping a lure or were they just doing a 180 extremely quickly after a strike? I know when bass fishing with a topwater frog I will see what looks like a tail slap if either they miss it or I jerk the frog out of their mouths, what they're actually doing is a quick turn around. I haven't ever experienced what you described with trout though, I feel like I have a pretty decent hook up ratio using topwater and trout.
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Old 10-16-2019, 08:45 AM
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Were they actually tail slapping a lure or were they just doing a 180 extremely quickly after a strike? I know when bass fishing with a topwater frog I will see what looks like a tail slap if either they miss it or I jerk the frog out of their mouths, what they're actually doing is a quick turn around. I haven't ever experienced what you described with trout though, I feel like I have a pretty decent hook up ratio using topwater and trout.
What’s your go to topwater lure for trout and size?

When I can’t get them on top I throw an x-rap and they usually hit that.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:25 AM
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I only use super spook jr's for topwater in saltwater, I'll catch trout, drum, and bluefish on them. When topwater isn't producing I'll go to mirrolures or jerk shades covered in pro-cure. Popping corks work well too but I don't really use them that much for some reason.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by NinjahGoose View Post
I only use super spook jr's for topwater in saltwater, I'll catch trout, drum, and bluefish on them. When topwater isn't producing I'll go to mirrolures or jerk shades covered in pro-cure. Popping corks work well too but I don't really use them that much for some reason.
Spook jr's is what i throw as well. Other baits are 17mr and 1/8-1/4 oz jig with various soft plastics. Those 3 baits pretty much cover evrything. Sometimes will throw other jerk/twitch baits but they all pretty much produce the same.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:39 AM
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Trout can be finicky as hell but sometimes that's what makes them so fun to catch. I think the same thing happens with suspending baits sometimes but you just can't see it. It's easy to see with topwater because the bait is exposed. How many times have you thrown a suspending lure and had a bump, strike or even a tick and didn't hook up and it happen over and over during the day. I believe the trout are changing there minds or doing an about face at the last split-second because they don't like something they see and all you feel is the body or tail slapping the bait. I know trout strike and miss the hooks too, so i'm not trying to explain away every trout you've ever missed but I have experienced days just like you described and you just can't chalk it up to just missing the bait. My fishing partner so eloquently describes the phenomena as a "i'm just not gonna eat your S#&t" kinda day.

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Old 10-16-2019, 11:12 AM
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Have to disagree with all of your combined theories.
Capt. Lee Parsons is a Trout whisperer fish catching machine & Master MirrOlure Guru.
He is almost a God when it comes to Trout in Eastern NC. The most knowledgeable person on these waters when it comes to Trout.
I'm sticking with what I observed & going with his Trout tails slapping theory .......ICM
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Old 10-16-2019, 01:44 PM
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Very good and timely thread nonetheless. Enjoyed reading all the different approaches.
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Old 10-16-2019, 02:14 PM
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Saw something similar.
Was fishing a backcountry charter a couple of years ago in Cedar Key FL.

Arm was getting tired from yanking a popping cork and wanted to throw some mirro lures. Finally persuaded the guide that I was more interested in the chase than catching a boat full of trout.

Tied on a mirro lure and the water was so clear you could watch them approach it. What ICM describes may be true. You could see them toy with it - slap it around a few times and once it settled in the water column they would go get it. Makes sense they were trying to stop it or injure it.

If you guys ever get the chance I would recommend that place. It is literally at the jumping off point in the big bend area of FL. Tiny town and the flats fishing is tons of fun. Not enough to keep the wife and kids occupied for a week but a cool place to fish.

I had never sight fished for triple tail on the flats before. It is up there with my all time fishing memories.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cream Man View Post
Have to disagree with all of your combined theories.
Capt. Lee Parsons is a Trout whisperer fish catching machine & Master MirrOlure Guru.
He is almost a God when it comes to Trout in Eastern NC. The most knowledgeable person on these waters when it comes to Trout.
I'm sticking with what I observed & going with his Trout tails slapping theory .......ICM
No offense to him but it sounds like a crackpot theory to explain a weird situation.
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Old 10-16-2019, 05:59 PM
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I think the tail slapping explanation is dead on.
We see iit with a lot of other predator fish ( porpoise, bass, etc), so why wouldn’t trout do it?
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Beehaw View Post
I think the tail slapping explanation is dead on.
We see iit with a lot of other predator fish ( porpoise, bass, etc), so why wouldn’t trout do it?
Not a bass guy, when do they tail slap?

I would just think this kind of behavior would be documented or at least known by experts. I haven't found anything on it.
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Old 10-17-2019, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ECU_Pirate View Post
No offense to him but it sounds like a crackpot theory to explain a weird situation.
Believe what you want. I'm telling you what I saw, not what I BELIEVE I saw.
Let me ask you a question.
How many days a week do you fish or how many hours are you spending on the water catching Trout ?
More than Capt. Lee & me? I don't think so.

Sorry, I'm going with the experts opinion.
Going fishing this morning will report back........ICM
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Old 10-17-2019, 03:44 AM
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They’ve become self aware and they’re taunting you....
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Ice Cream Man View Post
Believe what you want. I'm telling you what I saw, not what I BELIEVE I saw.
Let me ask you a question.
How many days a week do you fish or how many hours are you spending on the water catching Trout ?
More than Capt. Lee & me? I don't think so.

Sorry, I'm going with the experts opinion.
Going fishing this morning will report back........ICM
I'm not doubting what you saw. I'm doubting the explanation behind it. I don't believe trout purposefully tail slap a bait. I believe their tails were hitting the bait. But not for that reason. Trout are a highly sought after fish that has been studies fairly extensively. Never heard of them tail slapping intentionally.

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Old 10-20-2019, 10:22 PM
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ICM. Your observation is correct. Trout and many other fish will tail slap a bait and for several reasons.

The common view is that a fish strike is always do to feeding urge but there are other types of strikes. Fish will strike as a defensive reaction and also if aggravated enough but not particularly hungry or wanting to chase bait. They will also tail slap to herd baitfish and tail slap baitfish to stun them.

If you encounter a speck tail slapping a bait but not biting, try a She Dog.
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Old 10-21-2019, 02:22 AM
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Thanks for all the replies........ICM
Adapting to conditions or catching fish is not my problem.
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Originally Posted by ECU_Pirate View Post
Spook jr's is what i throw as well. Other baits are 17mr and 1/8-1/4 oz jig with various soft plastics. Those 3 baits pretty much cover evrything. Sometimes will throw other jerk/twitch baits but they all pretty much produce the same.
use to throw the spooks and spook jrs,but the hooks suck and rust quick. Been throwing yozuri new 4 inch pencil. LIKING IT! Hooks much better quality.
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use to throw the spooks and spook jrs,but the hooks suck and rust quick. Been throwing yozuri new 4 inch pencil. LIKING IT! Hooks much better quality.
The "pencil" sits lower in the water, giving it a better hook ratio......IMHO.
But,( there's always a but ), I find it doesn't has enough fish calling rattles & fishes better on calm windless days than a Spook.
You can always replace worn out, rusted out hooks. But ( here it is again ) never leave a topwater lure that you have confidence in at home.

Example; yesterday I caught 3 Trout ( biggest of the day ) on 3 consecutive casts on a search lure, my beat up topwater lure.
Oh yeah, this was way after the time of day "you should not be throwing a topwater," say the experts.
While Harold was throwing a new, same size & color topwater without a hook up or blow up.

The more chewed up, beat up, banged up a lure is will always out fish a pretty new one.
Go with confidence ...... ICM
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Originally Posted by Ice Cream Man View Post
The "pencil" sits lower in the water, giving it a better hook ratio......IMHO.
But,( there's always a but ), I find it doesn't has enough fish calling rattles & fishes better on calm windless days than a Spook.
You can always replace worn out, rusted out hooks. But ( here it is again ) never leave a topwater lure that you have confidence in at home.

Example; yesterday I caught 3 Trout ( biggest of the day ) on 3 consecutive casts on a search lure, my beat up topwater lure.
Oh yeah, this was way after the time of day "you should not be throwing a topwater," say the experts.
While Harold was throwing a new, same size & color topwater without a hook up or blow up.

The more chewed up, beat up, banged up a lure is will always out fish a pretty new one.
Go with confidence ...... ICM
Have you ever replaced your topwater treble hooks with beefer single hooks? I'm thinking about doing this just to save some fish because I like to catch.picture.release. and treble hooks tend to get caught up in gills.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cream Man View Post
The "pencil" sits lower in the water, giving it a better hook ratio......IMHO.
But,( there's always a but ), I find it doesn't has enough fish calling rattles & fishes better on calm windless days than a Spook.
You can always replace worn out, rusted out hooks. But ( here it is again ) never leave a topwater lure that you have confidence in at home.

Example; yesterday I caught 3 Trout ( biggest of the day ) on 3 consecutive casts on a search lure, my beat up topwater lure.
Oh yeah, this was way after the time of day "you should not be throwing a topwater," say the experts.
While Harold was throwing a new, same size & color topwater without a hook up or blow up.

The more chewed up, beat up, banged up a lure is will always out fish a pretty new one.
Go with confidence ...... ICM
this the new pencil,does not sit upright( have those 2) and is either 5/8 or 3/4 oz,cant remember which. Been working in some big wind and rougher water last 2 days. Hooks are much better quality.
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