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Old 08-23-2019, 12:14 PM
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On the DMF website:

NCDEQ - 08 2018 Briefing Book

The MFC adopted 6-3 the Flounder Amendment today, similar to the draft. They also added For-Hire Captains can catch 4 Flounder per boat from May to November. See Draft Amendment. The NCDMF will issue a proclamation later next week that will list the new requirements and when it goes into effect.

They denied the shrimp petition 2 yesterday.




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Old 08-24-2019, 04:11 AM
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http://portal.ncdenr.org/c/document_...LFE-141206.pdf
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Just so I have it correct, rec is closed now until 2020 but commercials still have a fall season depending on region? I can buy an endangered fish caught in NC waters from someone else and they can make a profit but I can't catch that same endangered fish myself? Seems logical...
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Originally Posted by SkeetDog View Post
Just so I have it correct, rec is closed now until 2020 but commercials still have a fall season depending on region? I can buy an endangered fish caught in NC waters from someone else and they can make a profit but I can't catch that same endangered fish myself? Seems logical...
well said and pretty much it in a nutshell.
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The DMF is trying to reduce both commercial and rec flounder catches this year by around 62% and don't even bother to ask why it was not 60% or 65% . Recs have more or less caught up their estimated "quota" for the year and that's why its being closed shortly. Commercials normally catch about 80% of their catches during the Fall and have caught very few up to now. Commercials will be allowed to catch their limited quota starting Sept 15 and season will shut down for them depending on area. Either way both groups are getting the shaft since flounder are far from being totally collapsed as is evidenced by this years excellent flounder catches by recs but the rules are being made from old data so it is what it is. By making the public angry and they are, the DMF probably figures that the State politicians will provide them with more funding to study the problem.
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
The DMF is trying to reduce both commercial and rec flounder catches this year by around 62% and don't even bother to ask why it was not 60% or 65% . Recs have more or less caught up their estimated "quota" for the year and that's why its being closed shortly. Commercials normally catch about 80% of their catches during the Fall and have caught very few up to now. Commercials will be allowed to catch their limited quota starting Sept 15 and season will shut down for them depending on area. Either way both groups are getting the shaft since flounder are far from being totally collapsed as is evidenced by this years excellent flounder catches by recs but the rules are being made from old data so it is what it is. By making the public angry and they are, the DMF probably figures that the State politicians will provide them with more funding to study the problem.
Not true. No discussion of "rec quota". As soon as the closure discussion began the 5 now 6 members who will always vote commercial rolled out the old 'no presents under the tree for the children at Christmas' argument. Yes they get to catch, keep and sell the public resource but the public at large is prohibited. The benefits go to maybe 1000 fishermen at the expense of more than 1000000 citizen fishermen and women. The public at large is denied access while those who net it to death are given open season. Anyone else think this flies in the face of equity and reason?
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
Commercials normally catch about 80% of their catches during the Fall and have caught very few up to now.
You cannot possibly believe your own BS on that one. The comm giggers have been slaying flatfish all summer long.
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Just going by what the DMF tells us but am the last person to put much faith in their numbers so you are correct in assuming that I do not believe the data but the DMF says it and some seem to consider their numbers sacred. I know that I catch a lot more flounder during the fall with my gill net and pound netters do not even start setting their nets out until after labor day.
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
The DMF is trying to reduce both commercial and rec flounder catches this year by around 62% and don't even bother to ask why it was not 60% or 65% . Recs have more or less caught up their estimated "quota" for the year and that's why its being closed shortly. Commercials normally catch about 80% of their catches during the Fall and have caught very few up to now. Commercials will be allowed to catch their limited quota starting Sept 15 and season will shut down for them depending on area. Either way both groups are getting the shaft since flounder are far from being totally collapsed as is evidenced by this years excellent flounder catches by recs but the rules are being made from old data so it is what it is. By making the public angry and they are, the DMF probably figures that the State politicians will provide them with more funding to study the problem.
I think that is the wrong word there....
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You cannot possibly believe your own BS on that one. The comm giggers have been slaying flatfish all summer long.
How have they been slaying the fish when everyone on here keeps saying there is no flounders.
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Originally Posted by Jward28468 View Post
How have they been slaying the fish when everyone on here keeps saying there is no flounders.
they cannot slay what is not there! They are having a good year BECAUSE they ARE there!!!!
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
The DMF is trying to reduce both commercial and rec flounder catches this year by around 62% and don't even bother to ask why it was not 60% or 65% . Recs have more or less caught up their estimated "quota" for the year and that's why its being closed shortly. Commercials normally catch about 80% of their catches during the Fall and have caught very few up to now. Commercials will be allowed to catch their limited quota starting Sept 15 and season will shut down for them depending on area. Either way both groups are getting the shaft since flounder are far from being totally collapsed as is evidenced by this years excellent flounder catches by recs but the rules are being made from old data so it is what it is. By making the public angry and they are, the DMF probably figures that the State politicians will provide them with more funding to study the problem.
Its been the best flounder year in at least the past 5 years, hard to believe they've caught "few"
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
Either way both groups are getting the shaft since flounder are far from being totally collapsed as is evidenced by this years excellent flounder catches by recs but the rules are being made from old data so it is what it is. By making the public angry and they are, the DMF probably figures that the State politicians will provide them with more funding to study the problem.
Then we should shut down the drum fishery as well. We have concrete evidence that the stock are low do to the poor numbers being caught this year.
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well Leblanc18, I am just repeating what the DMF flounder experts said at the meeting this past week as to whether its accurate or not is another thing. They claimed that approximately 100,000 lbs pounds of flounder had been landed by commercials up thru mid August and commercials normally will catch a million lbs or more during a typical year. Its a fact that commercial flounder fishermen catch the majority of their southern flounder from mid Sept thru much of November . My major concern right now is if there are as many flounder out there as many are claiming the commercial quota will be caught up by the northern pound netters or gill netters and the commercials in the southern part of the State will end up with nothing. Personally, I think the situation is all screwed up, politics will get involved shortly and changes are coming .
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Naïve question: I wonder why our sister state (S.C.) does not have the same problems. They appear to be thriving. Different rules?
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Not according to the NC DMF p22415. The latest stock assessment for southern flounder was considering the population from the Virginia line down to the Florida keys. claims that the species is on the verge of total collapse for the entire area. Now don't get me wrong, I also realize that the scientist probably pulled much of the numbers out of their hiney but it is what it is. Unlike North Carolina, those other sates do not allow gill nets or pound nets to catch flounder although SC does allow recs to use gill nets to catch flounder. So the CCA is not constantly raising hell in those States like they do here about the lack of flounder. If this group were to complain in SC,Ga and Florida then it would indicate that getting rid of netters did not work as well as they thought and are not about to do that.
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Originally Posted by p22415 View Post
Naïve question: I wonder why our sister state (S.C.) does not have the same problems. They appear to be thriving. Different rules?
It's all a matter of perspective and "priority". SC doesn't have a commercial fishery for Southern flounder. If NC didn't have a commercial fishery then we could still take a 72% across the board reduction and leave the recreational fishery the hell alone- all 72% would come from the commercial side.



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interesting that commercials catch 71% of the southern flounder but recs have 10x as many dead discards.
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
interesting that commercials catch 71% of the southern flounder but recs have 10x as many dead discards.
You have to put them back to have a discard...
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I can pretty much believe that a commercial might keep an undersized flounder that's dead and eat them for lunch at times but do not know of any one that will buy undersized flounder since losing their dealer license is hardly worth it Then again we all know that recs will always throw back undersized flounder as well. Seriously though, have you ever wondered how they know how many flounder are dead when being released with rec fishermen?

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