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BOUNDRIES and polygraphs/ king tournaments

Old 07-13-2019, 03:32 PM
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wondering how often tournament directors ask for polygraphs. Iím sure they cost a good bit. Also wonder how boundaries are enforced.

Many tournaments are charity based and meeting financial goals understandably trump boundary enforcement and polygraph test.

Curious if polygraphs are ever required.

With gps on every boat I wonder if there is a simple plug and play way for every participant to down load their track each fishing day. THAT should be in place or invented.

I love fishing tournaments but have a friend who will not fish them. He says all winning fish are caught in the days or nights leading up to tournaments and are all caught north of the boundries. I know thatís not true but that is his mind set.

He he says he will fish them when they require polygraphs to ensure it was caught during tournament hrs. And gps check for boundary .

Whats the scoop?
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Old 07-13-2019, 05:00 PM
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All of the kingfish cup tournaments polygraph 1st thru 3rd place winners.
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Old 07-13-2019, 06:49 PM
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Cape Lookout Shootout picks a set of 5 or so boats at random to be boarded and inspected immediately before checkout at every tournament. Not sure about polygraph requirements but I know some tournaments have them in the ruled if needed.
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Old 07-13-2019, 08:00 PM
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I bet most if not all of the teams follow all of the rules. Tournaments are lots of fun and worth the small investment to me. My buddy on the other hand thinks everything in all sports is a scam or rigged.

i started thinking about gps tracks but that could only be used for the day of fishing to enforce boundries.

I dont worry about other folks. Ií focus on my plan. You never know where a hog may be. Just like the 70lb fish caught a few weeks ago.

Lots of people think that 54 lber caught today may hold up but you really never know. I bet those guys donít sleep tonight. Exciting stuff!
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Old 07-14-2019, 02:56 AM
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Funny aside, not about kingfish tournaments but fairly relevant. In the Jacksonville el cheapo sheepshead tournament a couple years ago (could have been 3 or 4 ago I lose track), the winning fish looked like it had come out of a cage. So several people filed a formal complaint and paid their $100 to appeal it, claiming the winner had caught it earlier and kept it in a pen until tournament day, which would have required the tournament directors to do an investigation and polygraph etc. The director was kind of caught off guard and didnít know how he was going to handle this type of complaint and was feeling the heat, until they realized the winner did not have a fishing license because he had not paid his child support. Rules say a fishing license is required, so they DQed him for no license. Tournament director got off easy on that one. Guess we will never know the truth about the fish.
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Old 07-14-2019, 06:27 AM
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I got another thing to add. Why doesnít any tournament around here post or let the participants know just how much money they are gonna keep/chop out of the pot!? I understand expenses and the need to make some money for the event, but why donít they let you know up front how much will be kept for said purposes? Whether itís 15,20,25% or more let us know. For years now it just seems to be the norm and Iíve never understood why?
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Old 07-14-2019, 07:49 AM
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I got another thing to add. Why doesnít any tournament around here post or let the participants know just how much money they are gonna keep/chop out of the pot!? I understand expenses and the need to make some money for the event, but why donít they let you know up front how much will be kept for said purposes? Whether itís 15,20,25% or more let us know. For years now it just seems to be the norm and Iíve never understood why?
Hard to say. There is usually a payout break down. Determine number of entries minus pay out and thatís the amount. Some tournaments pay out most of whatís brought in. Their take comes from the sale of fish and merchandise like hats and t shirts.

Tournaments are fun and offer more than just the pay out. Itís something to plan and look forward to. Friendships are formed and it becomes sort of an annual get together. You can take them very seriously or just as a day on the water. Winners have come from both groups. Most tournaments do a lot of good for their charity.
North Carolina has great tournaments and great folks running them
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:25 PM
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The way people cheat these tournaments is they have like 5 friends fish the same day and give the big fish to the registered boat. I've heard of it in more than 1 fishing tournament.
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Old 07-14-2019, 01:45 PM
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The way people cheat these tournaments is they have like 5 friends fish the same day and give the big fish to the registered boat. I've heard of it in more than 1 fishing tournament.
I got the kayak bug back in 2015. I caught a small king and a near by boat came over. I think they were fishing the fall brawl. They wanted my fish. I told them maybe if I get another. They dipped their net in their live well and gave mev6 pogies. Baits were beat up and red. I kindly accepted them but later dumped them out.

Later that hat same day they came back. They almost ran over my balloon. Wasnít happy but just said hello. We chatted and all of the sudden my little penn 3/0 starts smokin! They said that fish was in their slick and was in their spread. It was as like they were saying I wouldnít have caught it if they hadnít come by. I got the fish boat side and they were pretty much on top of me. They said we can have him right? I said maybe but I wanted to show my wife on what he beach and get a picture. They were begging. I asked why they wanted an 18lb king that wouldnít even place. They said they only had to weigh a fish in order to advance. Not sure what that was about. I told them let me go snap pics and Iíd bring it back out. They said ok but to hurry cuz they had to make weigh in at little river. It was 3 or 4.
I loaded my gear and we just left. I wasnít going to support cheating.

I dont know enough yet to even to even know how to cheat. Iíve caught plenty of kings but all close in non-tournament. I hear of people chumming up spots days leading up to tournaments. You hear of fish caught the night before during night time at the hot spots. You hear of folks catching big ones and selling them to a team but I donít know.
These guys are professional and atleast the ones Iíve gotten to know wouldnít do it.

If tournaments polygraph it would would most likely deter this type of cheating. Boundaries are huge because we all know where some hawks are each summer but itís out of bounds. A big king can show up anywhere. Ya always hope itís all legit.

Im moving back to the beach after being away a good while. Iíll fish every tournament I can and if I never win thatís fine. Friendships fun and fishing is enough for me.

To take it a a step further it would be a trip if someone bought a big king and STILL got beat by a bigger one🙀

i think everybody plays fair. I noticed Bay Pirate just got knocked down by Rosta Rocket. 52.28!! Wow! Impressive leaderboard
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Old 07-14-2019, 08:16 PM
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I know for a fact Brant has DQed a winning fish before in an OIFC tournament when the anglers refused a polygraph.

These guys have been doing it a long time, they know when someone is sketchy. Mostly everyone knows where everyone else is fishing, and they know what a fish looks like that has been in a cooler for days.

As for the guys who asked for your fish, what a bunch of losers begging for an 18 pounder.
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Old 07-15-2019, 01:37 AM
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The Rumble in The Jungle polygraphs at least 1st and usually more every year,it's announced at the captains meeting.
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:11 AM
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I didnít understand why they wanted that fish either. He said they just had to weigh a fish in order to advance. Ska points would be the only thing I could think of.
Glad to here the OIFC group polygraphs. Not surprised as everything they do has always seemed to be top shelf in my book. I would imagine that making everything as square as possible would keep interest up. Keeps cheaters away and makes for fun competition.
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In the Kingfish Cup series we have to take a picture of the fish that we weigh that day with a unique hand signal. The hand signal is sent out to the captains the night before fishing so you canít know it while prefishing. The picture has to include the captain or Co-captain and the fish must be still green, or hot as some say. You can tell when a fish has been dead for even a few minutes. If you donít have a picture of your fish that fits all of the criteria you can either be disqualified or take a polygraph test at your own cost. The top three get polygraphs regardless.

I believe that all of the teams that regularly fish tournaments are straight up guys. Nobody wants to be that team thatís doing some shady stuff and have that reputation. We all know each other and usually work together to try and find some fish. Most tournament winning fish are seen being caught by other boats anyway.

Some , if not all of the things that have been mentioned in the way of cheating has definitely been done. I havenít heard of any of this happening in quite a few years. Iíd like to think that the ones that have done this stuff have either grown up or moved on. Iím sure there are still some that attempt it or think about doing it but arenít lucky enough for it to even work. Guess the guys who wanted the 18 pounder figured nobody would even think anything about that fish since it wasnít going to get a check that night anyway. Hate to hear that someone trying to qualify for a championship would go that route to get it done. Wish you wouldíve remembered the boat name or something.
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In the Kingfish Cup series we have to take a picture of the fish that we weigh that day with a unique hand signal. The hand signal is sent out to the captains the night before fishing so you canít know it while prefishing. The picture has to include the captain or Co-captain and the fish must be still green, or hot as some say. You can tell when a fish has been dead for even a few minutes. If you donít have a picture of your fish that fits all of the criteria you can either be disqualified or take a polygraph test at your own cost. The top three get polygraphs regardless.

I believe that all of the teams that regularly fish tournaments are straight up guys. Nobody wants to be that team thatís doing some shady stuff and have that reputation. We all know each other and usually work together to try and find some fish. Most tournament winning fish are seen being caught by other boats anyway.

Some , if not all of the things that have been mentioned in the way of cheating has definitely been done. I havenít heard of any of this happening in quite a few years. Iíd like to think that the ones that have done this stuff have either grown up or moved on. Iím sure there are still some that attempt it or think about doing it but arenít lucky enough for it to even work. Guess the guys who wanted the 18 pounder figured nobody would even think anything about that fish since it wasnít going to get a check that night anyway. Hate to hear that someone trying to qualify for a championship would go that route to get it done. Wish you wouldíve remembered the boat name or something.
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The hand signal idea is brilliant. Teams have fun with it too Iím sure.
I wasnít into tournaments when the kayak incident happend. I was just relaxing by Yaupon Reef with a pogie under a balloon. Got two that day and it was fun however, a very determined shark eating my tow behind bait tank convinced me that it was time to give up the kayak.
The boat involved was an older contender. Heavy set older guy with who I assume was his son and daughter in-law. Not being involved with tournaments back then I wrote it of as something that may happen at times. It was the second or third weekend in Oct. 2016.
My first tournament was The Open last year and I had a blast. Didnít do great but still feel like I got my moneyís worth just by the folks I met and the fun of fishing with a chance to win a prize. Cool fish bag didnít hurt either! I donít care if I ever win or if not just the fun and anticipation is worth it to me. If a few donít follow rules Iíd imagine karma would see to it that they wonít be around long in the tournament circles.
Hurry up fall!
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