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Old 04-23-2019, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by caltexflanc View Post
Everyone's against government spending unless it's on something good for them. I just as soon keep the redneck markers than be just another group of folks suckin' on the guvment teat.
Yeah, sure, after the millions I have paid in taxes why should I get anything that benifits me?!? My money is clearly better spent on Obama phones.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:44 AM
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For real?
Yeah, just a single whale but there was a very large pod of dolphins as well.
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Old 04-23-2019, 09:50 AM
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Wasn't the large increase in boater registration a few years ago supposed to help pay for small dredging projects?
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Old 04-23-2019, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jhendric View Post
Yeah, sure, after the millions I have paid in taxes why should I get anything that benifits me?!? My money is clearly better spent on Obama phones.
They're Bush phones, FYI... evolved from Reagan phones. You could look it up.
So you never drive on the Interstate? Fly? Use Beaufort Inlet? Protected by the military? None of those things? The way the federal budget gets so bloated is all the politicians spending money to buy folk's votes by funding their pet projects. "Hey look at the money you gave those guys, I want some too, it's not fair!"
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Old 04-23-2019, 05:23 PM
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From what I understand there is a real possibility this could happen. Anyone that goes to Cape Lookout and would like to see some navaids needs to comment to the email address and be sure to include the project #
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Old 04-23-2019, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gillnetflounderman View Post
Wasn't the large increase in boater registration a few years ago supposed to help pay for small dredging projects?
Yes it was. Money was supposed to go to a separate fund.

G.S. 143-215.73FPage 2(e)Definitions.–For purposes of this section, "shallow draft navigation channel" means (i) a waterway connection with a maximum depth of 16 feet between the Atlantic Ocean and a bay or the Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway, (ii) a river entrance to the Atlantic Ocean through which tidal and other currents flow, or (iii) other interior coastal waterways. The term includes the Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway and its side channels, Beaufort Harbor, Bogue Inlet, Carolina Beach Inlet, the channel from Back Sound to Lookout Back, channels connected to federal navigation channels, Lockwoods Folly River, Manteo/Shallowbag Bay, including Oregon Inlet, Masonboro Inlet, New River, New Topsail Inlet, Rodanthe, Hatteras Inlet, Rollinson, Shallotte River, Silver Lake Harbor, and the waterway connecting Pamlico Sound and Beaufort Harbor.
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by caltexflanc View Post
They're Bush phones, FYI... evolved from Reagan phones. You could look it up.
So you never drive on the Interstate? Fly? Use Beaufort Inlet? Protected by the military? None of those things? The way the federal budget gets so bloated is all the politicians spending money to buy folk's votes by funding their pet projects. "Hey look at the money you gave those guys, I want some too, it's not fair!"
I think everyone understands what you are saying, but as stated above the increase in boater registration fees are supposed to go to shallow inlet dredging. We all know what politicians do best, spend or move the money to their "pet" projects for their benefit, not the public. Just look at hwy 70, gateway for the politicians and their friends to get to their million dollar beach homes. It gets a scratch on the road and it is resurfaced, then go take a look at interstate 40 west of I-77, might as well be riding on dirt. You are right, but would like to see the funds go where intended and no one is going to get by not paying taxes. It's a crying shame. Only hope we have leaving out of HI is that some asswipe politician runs it in his speedboat deluxe, and while trying to show off for his girlfriend, runs aground and her fake boobs go through the windshield.
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Old 04-24-2019, 03:33 AM
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I have only been in that area once. I have very bad knowledge of the area. So, if that area is as bad as the Coast Guard says it is, then how do they get their buoy tender or what ever it is in there to remove said markers?

Tourism drives NC's economy on the coasts and in the mountains. That comment about I-40 west of 77 is spot on. I live in Cullowhee and travel 40 a lot. There is a sentiment among the native locals that Raleigh tends to forget about everything west of Greensboro. I think there is some truth in that sentiment.
If we the boaters paid extra for the dredging, then it's not a government hand out. It's a user fee that should go to pay for dredging. My brother lived in Wilmington for a decade or so doing engineering for Corning. We would go out of Masonboro a few times and it's sporty back in the 90s. I think that was about the time they said they were no longer going to maintain it. There were times we would exit at high tide at Masonboro and return through the Cape Fear River inlet at low tide. I don't mind paying more if it were actually going to be used for it's sold and intended purposes.
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Originally Posted by SmokyMtnGrady View Post
I have only been in that area once. I have very bad knowledge of the area. So, if that area is as bad as the Coast Guard says it is, then how do they get their buoy tender or what ever it is in there to remove said markers?

Tourism drives NC's economy on the coasts and in the mountains. That comment about I-40 west of 77 is spot on. I live in Cullowhee and travel 40 a lot. There is a sentiment among the native locals that Raleigh tends to forget about everything west of Greensboro. I think there is some truth in that sentiment.
If we the boaters paid extra for the dredging, then it's not a government hand out. It's a user fee that should go to pay for dredging. My brother lived in Wilmington for a decade or so doing engineering for Corning. We would go out of Masonboro a few times and it's sporty back in the 90s. I think that was about the time they said they were no longer going to maintain it. There were times we would exit at high tide at Masonboro and return through the Cape Fear River inlet at low tide. I don't mind paying more if it were actually going to be used for it's sold and intended purposes.
North Carolina continues west beyond Raleigh? I better look this up.
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Old 04-24-2019, 05:29 AM
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The way I understand it, when the government designs specific funding initiatives like the increase in boater fees to cover dredging; those funds do indeed go to the specific purpose. The issue is that all the monies that used to go to the initiative, are redirected elsewhere. Similar to the the lottery funding of education... sure that money goes to pay for our public schools, the only problem is that all the other funding that used to go to fund our public schools is re-directed to other initiatives.

I freely admit the above is my speculation and completely unsupported by facts... but it's the way I assume our government works.
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I'll look for 2018 when I have time-




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Originally Posted by nccoaster View Post
Yes it was. Money was supposed to go to a separate fund.



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Nice find. So what state entity is the steward of this fund, and what entity is responsible for selecting and procuring dredge projects, if those two are different?

A simple grass roots reachout effort tothose two groups could help drive this forward, perhaps not immediately but at least get it on their radar.

Often things dont happen simply because the group(s) charged with owning the regulation's implementation simply don't know enough facts to do it efficiently or correctly. Commonly because they are simply stretched way too thin. Bringing facts to their attention is perfectly acceptable, reasonable, and often even appreciated. They likely have no idea that the coast guard is pulling markers.


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Old 04-24-2019, 06:12 AM
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The expenditure trend is dismal... most of the 2018 increase appears to be related to Florence, not swallow draft inlet dredging. Local funding share is going to have to step up to the plate to get Barden dredged.

http://file:///Z:/DATA/House/Dredgin...pdate-2017.pdf



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Old 04-24-2019, 06:20 AM
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After what was done to the lighthouse lens, as far as I care...the whole mess can shoal over...

the whole area is turning into an overfilled pisspot...
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After what was done to the lighthouse lens, as far as I care...the whole mess can shoal over...

the whole area is turning into an overfilled pisspot...
No idea what you are referencing...
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Originally Posted by Specrig View Post
After what was done to the lighthouse lens, as far as I care...the whole mess can shoal over...

the whole area is turning into an overfilled pisspot...
haha, last year they converted the lighthouse to solar with a led light in an attempt to go green. A bright spotlight in brighter than the new light
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Isn't the key here to know what revenues are generated by the increased boat registration cost versus what is being spent on dredging? Unless I am missing something it doesn't make sense that the expenditures are going down when the available revenue should have gone up after the registration costs went up. Unless there is a whole lot less boats being registered, and I doubt that is the case. Basically, what is the delta between incoming revenue and outgoing appropriations as it relates to dredging? Do you know where one could find that data?


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The expenditure trend is dismal... most of the 2018 increase appears to be related to Florence, not swallow draft inlet dredging. Local funding share is going to have to step up to the plate to get Barden dredged.

http://file:///Z:/DATA/House/Dredgin...pdate-2017.pdf



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Old 04-24-2019, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Specrig View Post
After what was done to the lighthouse lens, as far as I care...the whole mess can shoal over...

the whole area is turning into an overfilled pisspot...
Cape lookout is turning into an overfilled pisspot? Lol man you must be a real joy to hang out with.
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Originally Posted by Wldmoose View Post
Isn't the key here to know what revenues are generated by the increased boat registration cost versus what is being spent on dredging? Unless I am missing something it doesn't make sense that the expenditures are going down when the available revenue should have gone up after the registration costs went up. Unless there is a whole lot less boats being registered, and I doubt that is the case. Basically, what is the delta between incoming revenue and outgoing appropriations as it relates to dredging? Do you know where one could find that data?
I think a previous post hit the nail on the head- general funding was slashed and replaced by the current program.
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haha, last year they converted the lighthouse to solar with a led light in an attempt to go green. A bright spotlight in brighter than the new light

Which flashes in a 360 degree arc, verses the old style rotating beam.
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