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Old 12-06-2017, 10:33 AM   #1
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Default Shipoke 15 Slopoke flats boat Rebuild

Good morning,

I am doing a full rebuild of a 2000 Shipoke 15 Slopoke built by Fred Archibald. Fred and Willy Roberts designed this hull in the late 80's. Willy Roberts built 9 of them. Fred Archibald then used one of those boats as a plug and produced an all composite 15 slopoke. The mold was then sold to IPB which is now Bonefish custom Boatworks.

LOA: 15 feet
Beam at widest part of the hull: 69 inches
Draft: 4 inches
HP: recommended 45-60; max 90
Weight of hull: 380 pounds dry no rigging or motor

I actually owned a Willy Roberts slopoke 15 and sold it two years ago: this is my only marine industry regret: selling that Willy Roberts Slopoke. So, when I saw this one come up for sale, I bought it: Just the hull and trailer. The trailer is beautiful: overbuilt aluminum I beam Owens and Sons trailer.

Plans: Continue the all composite construction: remove the rear casting deck, reconfigure the deck hatches, new fuel system, all new wiring, electronics, new 4stroke 60 hp motor, paint, etc... full custom one off Slopoke. She will be awgripped "medium grey" and have all hardware powder coated black. Finally, she will get Seadeck in Feaux teak over black pattern: every horizontal surface and the entire cockpit.

Here some pics of the day I bought her and brought her home. This was on October 4, 2017. My goal is to splash her by July 1, 2018

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I will be updating this thread for 2 purposes: 1.) I'd like to document this build and 2.) There are areas that I have questions about how to proceed. I would like your input on suggestions as I go along. Thanks.

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Old 12-06-2017, 10:44 AM   #2
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Congrats on the purchase- that's one cool little ride. Look forward to keeping up with this one!
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The 1st task was to derig the boat.

Then I decided to tackle the rear compartments 1st beneath the rear casting deck. I needed to get underneath the Livewell and be able to work in this space, so I gained exposure.

What a mess in here:

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I used a grinder to remove all materials down to the glass in these compartments. Then I vacuumed and acetoned the area: laying 1708 throughout this entire area beneath the rear casting deck. Then, I'll use Chop Strand Matt (CSM) as a fairing base. I am using epoxy in the transom and polyester resin throughout the remainder of the boat.

Started to back fill all the transom holes with epoxy and cabosil with a little phenolic balloons to assist in sanding.

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More updates to come.
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Are the pictures ok? I'm using IMGBB dot com ... they seem large to me.
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Are the pictures ok? I'm using IMGBB dot com ... they seem large to me.
Not too bad for me- I'm on a desktop, can't speak for phones/ipads etc.

Thank you for taking the time to share
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I'm in. This is gonna be a sweet boat. Pic's look good to me.
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Inside compartments all got 1708 6" then 12" in all corners and 1708 sheets on all horizontal surfaces. I'll lay down the CSM tomorrow. I hope to gelcoat inside these rear compartments this weekend... I'm going slightly lighter grey inside all compartments: whisper grey in the compartments. Gelcoat in the compartments and all grip everywhere else inside and out.

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The stool in the picture is my thinking chair... I sit there and ponder my next move... visualizing the end result and working backwards from there.
If you look back at the original pics, there is a splash well integrated into the rear casting platform. This is just a space occupying nonfunctional unit for me as I'll be adding a hydraulic jack plate. So, I've cut it out, removed it permenantly. Instead, I'll be glassing the new rear casting deck to the transom. I'll be incorporating a bilge compartment hatch access just forward to the transom: Purpose here is serviceability down the road.

Priorities in this build:

Safety
Functionality
Serviceability down the road
Performance/ fishability
Dependability
Ergonomics
Asthetics

Almost in that order...That is why the splash well had to come out. I am always super conscious of my rooster tail and white wash when slowing down: A.) don't want the water coming over the cowling into the motor and B.) keep the water out/ off the rear of the deck.

Finally, the rear casting platform will be fabricated out of 1/2 inch Coosa Bluewater 26: again, committing to the materials all being composite for this build.

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Old 12-06-2017, 11:59 AM   #8
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Quick question regarding batteries:

I'll need three: one dedicated cranking battery and two deep cycle batteries in series for the 24v Minn Kota riptide ipilot that'll be mounted on the bow.

In the forward port side rear compartment there is a glassed in battery tray. It's large enough for 2 batteries.
Ideally, this would house my cranking battery. I would like to put both deep cycle batteries forward under the casting deck at the bow, charger too. However, I'll have my 19 gallon fuel cell, vent hose, fill hose all up there. I'm pretty sure this is a dangerous proposition to have two batteries and all my fuel system forward under the casting deck at the bow even though it will be ventilated.
Alternatively, I could put all three batteries in the rear compartments, but then there is the weight distribution concern. Thoughts?
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I agree it is not wise to put batteries and fuel in the same compartment. Can you add a battery compartment to the back of the forward deck without seriously compromising cockpit space? Maybe put a battery on each side to balance the load while leaving a clear space in the middle to step up on the deck.

If you have to put all three batteries in the back consider using lithium batteries to reduce weight.
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I agree it is not wise to put batteries and fuel in the same compartment. Can you add a battery compartment to the back of the forward deck without seriously compromising cockpit space? Maybe put a battery on each side to balance the load while leaving a clear space in the middle to step up on the deck.

If you have to put all three batteries in the back consider using lithium batteries to reduce weight.
Glen, Thanks for the contribution: no, I can't sacrifice cockpit space.
Lithium batteries are nearly $600/ EACH... so, I would like to find an alternative plan to lithium.
But, anyway I slice it, I think the batteries need to be in the back.
Another consideration about weight: I don't want to load the bow up with an extra 100 pounds of batteries due to the planing characteristics of this hull. I don't want to create a bow steering characteristic w/ too much weight forward. This is why I've also elected to keep the 13 gallon Livewell in the rear. I THOUGHT about putting the Livewell in bow..but, due to the engineering of this boat and running surface, that weight would change her dynamics too drastically.
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That's a cool little boat man! That will be a fun build.

It's so weird seeing tabs on a boat that small.

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Glen, circling back to your idea, I went out and measured some spaces. The forward cockpit bulkhead is 48" wide at the bottom where it meets the curvature of the freewall. Most batteries are 12" long, so a 13" fab'd fiberglass battery box/ jump seat would be needed on each side. That leaves me 22" in the center span of the bulkhead. My regular fishing cooler sat nicely in that space in my last Slopoke 15'. It's possible. What about the weight that far forward? Here's the space.

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Which is an excellent segway to the forward casting deck area.
Beneath the deck needs to hold the fuel tank. However, Fred Archibald built Slopoke has foam filled 2/3 of the way from the bow back to the bulkhead.
I am considering cutting the forward casting deck off, removing all the foam, fairing and gelcoat it, install a small anchor locker. OR just leave it.

Or build bulkheads under the forward deck to compartmentalize the trolling motor batteries INSIDE that space, but separated from the fuel system by a bulkhead.

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That's a cool little boat man! That will be a fun build.
It's so weird seeing tabs on a boat that small.
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She needs tabs. I was always on them on the last Slopoke. W/ the splash rails and bow dropped, she can eat a good bit of chop: this is my backcountry boat: minimal big river: Intercoastal, creeks, backwater, sounds boat.
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Syd; perhaps consider a gas tank like a whaler? meaning under your seat? it will be plastic and will free up some space below. I'm aware it could push a major redesign, but you are still in the planning phase...
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I'd cut out the front deck and install the new tank, and make a compartment for the batteries. That way you keep the weight up front but isolate the batteries from the tank. Boat looks great
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Syd; perhaps consider a gas tank like a whaler? meaning under your seat? it will be plastic and will free up some space below. I'm aware it could push a major redesign, but you are still in the planning phase...
I considered this, but I think it will be a cleaner presentation w/ the entire fuel system forward: also, thats a lot more weight pushed back to the stern ( also considering the Livewell is here).

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I'd cut out the front deck and install the new tank, and make a compartment for the batteries. That way you keep the weight up front but isolate the batteries from the tank. Boat looks great

Agreed, that is what I am going w/ at the moment. It seems to be the best utilization of space. Hopefully, the extra 100 pounds up there will not change the attitude too much.
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She needs tabs. I was always on them on the last Slopoke. W/ the splash rails and bow dropped, she can eat a good bit of chop: this is my backcountry boat: minimal big river: Intercoastal, creeks, backwater, sounds boat.
I hear you. That is the perfect boat for the sawgrass flats around Jax and St. Aug. That chop in the St. Johns can pretty rough. Especially between downtown and Green Cove. I grew up in that area blasting out of Doctors Lake and heading out the St. Johns to the Keys or Bahamas in a 33 Bert or a 43 Hatt. Years ago. Different times, different boats.

I have really learned to appreciate smaller boats. Especially after living out on Vilano Beach for a while. That Shipoke 15 looks like it was built to maneuver and fish in that area if you're ever out that way.

Edit: I remember seeing one of those Slopoke's for sale recently. I think it was a "tiller steer" and I think it was all wood construction? The boat was a work of art for sure. Tempting not to buy it "just because" LOL! Beautiful boat, I can understand your regret if it was the same type of boat.

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Quintessential Pandoras box/ can of worms: Great exposure...just more work to put everything back together again. Unless anyone has a better idea, I've committed to building a symmetrical pair of battery boxes compartmentalized from the fuel system under the forward casting deck.

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Nice looking project.

Question regarding this photo:

What is the linear cracking of the gelcoat related to? Is there a cause to this?
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Nice looking project.

Question regarding this photo:

What is the linear cracking of the gelcoat related to? Is there a cause to this?
Hey pal, thanks for taking the time to go through this build. The location of this picture is deceiving: this is actually the bulkhead that separates the rear compartments to the cockpit. That's the battery tray in the left of the image...the Livewell is the right of the image. There is a composite board that stops right there: it is glassed in place. The board stops at that line of demarkation. Evidently, there was instability at this junction. I ground back to fresh glass, faired it in w/ cabosil, then laid 2 layers of 1708 over that span. I sanded it, faired it again, then she'll get a layer of CSM then gelcoat.
That defect ( and access to it) was one of the main reasons I had to open up that entire area: Needed access to grind it out, lay new structural glass, fair it in.

Make sense? Better seen here in this image after the structural repair, before any CSM is laid down. In the image below, the region you described is just forward and to the left of that "hole" that I glassed over where the raw water pick up is located. Can you see it?

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