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Old 03-19-2019, 09:23 AM
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Rod, do the ballast tanks affect fuel economy at all? It seems like that extra weight would be a negative, but I honestly have no clue, one way or the other. By the way, your new boat is beautiful. Congrats!
thx.....no difference with the full load i had. maybe if i was running lighter. Was cruising at 65mph at 0.86mpg in light seas.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:12 PM
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thx.....no difference with the full load i had. maybe if i was running lighter. Was cruising at 65mph at 0.86mpg in light seas.
Geez Man, that is insane...especially with a tower.
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:32 PM
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:51 PM
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Old 03-19-2019, 02:06 PM
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I did see a video of the Invincible 37 with triple 300 V8 Mercury's was hitting 72 mph. Same boat with 350 Verados I heard was hitting about 76-78 or so. I really like the 37 Invincible. I will agree on fit and finish being slightly better on the Invincible, this is just from looking at them at the boat shows. But it is close. I'll give looks to the Freeman, but then again you can't see the boat when you are in it.
pretty impressive... 42LR

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Old 03-19-2019, 02:30 PM
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That is incredible. Beast of a boat
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:57 PM
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They are also both Cats with one specifically designed to dip into the market share of the other.
how is the Freeman designed to dip into the market share of the Invincible cat? The Freeman has been around for many years before Invincible thought about making a cat. I believe the ONLY reason Invincible made a cat is because Freeman’s boats spank the Invincible monohull in ride, fishabiliy, economy, resale , etc.

Freeman was not designed to dip into the market share of Invincible cats
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:09 PM
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how is the Freeman designed to dip into the market share of the Invincible cat? The Freeman has been around for many years before Invincible thought about making a cat. I believe the ONLY reason Invincible made a cat is because Freeman’s boats spank the Invincible monohull in ride, fishabiliy, economy, resale , etc.

Freeman was not designed to dip into the market share of Invincible cats
Invincible was late to the party.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tkramerv View Post

how is the Freeman designed to dip into the market share of the Invincible cat? The Freeman has been around for many years before Invincible thought about making a cat. I believe the ONLY reason Invincible made a cat is because Freeman’s boats spank the Invincible monohull in ride, fishabiliy, economy, resale , etc.

Freeman was not designed to dip into the market share of Invincible cats
I was clearly alluding to the fact that Invincible 37 (actually 40 followed by 37) was designed to tap into the new Freeman market. That should be obvious since the Invincible cat was created 10 years after Freeman entered the market...and effectively invented a whole new sector.

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Old 03-19-2019, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tkramerv View Post

how is the Freeman designed to dip into the market share of the Invincible cat? The Freeman has been around for many years before Invincible thought about making a cat. I believe the ONLY reason Invincible made a cat is because Freeman’s boats spank the Invincible monohull in ride, fishabiliy, economy, resale , etc.

Freeman was not designed to dip into the market share of Invincible cats
Now i could be wrong on his thought process, but by definition market share is a specific companies share on the market. So my thinking would be each company takes part of the market share from the other. Ex. Someone does not want to wait three years for a Freeman so he buys an Invincible, or if someone really wants the raised platform in the front for their specific ways they fish then they buy the Freeman in spite of the wait. I don't think he was saying Freeman was specifically designed to steal Invincible's market share, but the argument could be made that the more attractive catamaran hull stole market share from invincible mono hulls.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by tkramerv View Post

how is the Freeman designed to dip into the market share of the Invincible cat? The Freeman has been around for many years before Invincible thought about making a cat. I believe the ONLY reason Invincible made a cat is because Freeman’s boats spank the Invincible monohull in ride, fishabiliy, economy, resale , etc.

Freeman was not designed to dip into the market share of Invincible cats
Ha.... clearly you are not up to date on the state of Cat vs Cat vs Mono hulls.
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:47 PM
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Edit: Double post

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Old 03-19-2019, 06:44 PM
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I haven't been on the Invincible 37 yet, but I have been on a few Freeman 37's. No doubt that they handle better in the slop. And they have better fish-ability. But, again, I haven't been on any 37 Invincibles yet, so I could be wrong
Huh? How can you conclude one handles better and has better fish ability if you have only been in one of them?
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Old 03-19-2019, 08:16 PM
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Those are THT six footers! 👍
LOL- 6-8 ft at LEAST
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Old 03-19-2019, 11:23 PM
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I have some time on Invincible 40, but not 37.
Very impressive boat imho
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Rod27 View Post
hey david....does the invincible have ballast tanks or trim tabs? The ballast tanks on my 37vh make a huge difference, and the controls are right next to me for easy switch on/off while running.
Morelli & Melvin designed the boat to not require tabs or ballast. Slight trim adjustments are enough to keep the bow’s attitude under control and for any beam adjustments.
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:40 AM
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Completely a personal opinion, and these are the only two boats that this has occurred to me by way of comparison, but on the trailer, I think the Freeman 37VH is a much prettier boat than the Invincible 37 on the trailer. Once they are in the water, I think the Invincible is a slightly more attractive boat than the Freeman (though the lines on the Freeman are pretty).
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by davidwademarine View Post
I’ve worked on both brands, driven both and fished on both. Haven’t been on the 37’ Invincible yet, but have discussed in depth with some who have. It operates just like their 40, which I’ve spent countless hours on. Been on the F37 and F42. If you’re making the decision between the two, I’m jealous.

The Invincible would be my choice simply due to the fact it handles predictably like a monohull. Freeman handles like an overpowered Glacier Bay. I started my career rigging and racing high-performance cats and know how they’re supposed to operate and handle in everything from flat fresh water to ocean chop and swells. Cats should lean into a turn just like a monohull, not out. There’s a few other options I prefer like the flat deck and separate coffin box that Southern Fish mentioned on the Invincible. As far as rigging goes, or fit and finish, Invincible wins in that department. Their rigging follows manufacturer’s guidelines better. As a rigger and technician, this is very important to me. Fuel efficiency will match on both brands; .8-.9 loaded. Performance where it matters is equal. Freeman can stretch a few more MPH out on top end. If time is of the essence, Invincible will win that battle as well. A few are available at dealerships and their factory is quite efficient if you place a custom order.

Good luck in your decision. Visit each factory and take test rides.
A very well thought out and informative answer. Not that I can afford either but thank you.
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:59 AM
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If Freeman is smart he will sell an equity share to a larger boat builder to ramp up production. Otherwise he’s going to get left behind as more manufacturers jump on the band wagon and build a better product and have the boats readily available.
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:18 AM
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How many months from deposit to delivery for an Invincible Cat?
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