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Old 03-17-2019, 08:28 AM
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The Paddlers and the Navigation Rules has run a pretty good course, but it looks like it's evolving into a more generalized Navigation Rules discussion. So let's kick this one off to do a bit of a deeper dive into more scenario based discussion.

I will start with a story. A friend (more of a friend of a friend, but I have met and spoken with him a few times) was recently involved in a collision. Here's the scene. I am purposefully going to leave out a few details to see what questions you come up with as it relates to the rules, and compliance.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ch...!4d-89.9635162

A Bay Boat is southwest bound at 30MPH in the bayou and makes a hard left turn into the straight canal. An overtaking Bass Boat moving at 60 MPH strikes the Bay Boat. It was a glancing blow. Both boats sustained fiberglass damage. There were no injuries.

Apply your knowledge of the Rules to that situation to ask questions or point out violations.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:05 AM
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Bay Boat forget to activate his turn signal! (kidding)
Overtaking boat didn't signal his intent to pass, overtaken boat wasn't aware that he was being passed and cut the overtaking boat off.
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:20 AM
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Old 03-17-2019, 10:25 AM
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1-boat overtaking has responsibility to avoid collision

2-boat being overtaken has responsibility to maintain course--BUT--at those speeds and those size boats assuming no sound signals were exchanged and stand on boat might not have known it was being overtaken.

Without whatever details you are holding--overtaking boat has to not hit the other boat.
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This will be interesting to follow. I’m in the middle of varnishing (the boat) so I can’t jump in right now.
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Old 03-17-2019, 11:12 AM
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The Give-Way vessel must act as if the "stand-on" vessel has the right to keep going the way it is going. It is the Give-Way vessel's responsibility to signal its intentions to the stand-on vessel, and is the Give-Way,s responsibility to maneuver his boat around the other in a safe manner. Also known as a "Burdened" vessel, as it has the burden of.
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I'll add a few nuggets of information. No sound signals were exchanged. The Bay Boat operator said he never knew the Bass Boat was there until a few seconds before impact.
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If I read correctly- Bay boat altered course and entered channel? He should bear some responsibility to avoid vessel already operating in channel
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My thoughts are: There is no person 100% at fault. The over taking boat should have sounded signals before overtaking. He should not have overtaken the boat until he received confirmation from the stand on vessel. The stand on vessel did not maintain a proper lookout at all times. In my opinion, the vessel overtaking is more at fault but not 100%.
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Was the bass boat already established in the channel or taking the same course as the bay boat?
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post
Was the bass boat already established in the channel or taking the same course as the bay boat?
Along the same general course, but overtaking.
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
Along the same general course, but overtaking.
collission occur to the port side? Where was the bay boat situated in the channel?

Occur during, closely after, or well after the turn?
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I don't really know where the Bay Boat was in relation to the center of the bayou. Port side of Bay Boat was impacted by starboard bow of Bass Boat as Bay Boat was a few seconds into its turn to port.
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Old 03-17-2019, 05:07 PM
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I'm blaming the bay boat all the way here. He should have maintained course until it was safe to alter. Being the stand on vessel, you still have resposibility for safe operation and that includes sudden course changes.

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Hard to tell the size of the waterway from Google maps, but I would think making a hard turn at 30 mph AND 60 mph overtaking a vessel in that waterway wasn't the responsible choice for either one. Neither speed seems like safe and reasonable operation considering what each was doing.
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Old 03-17-2019, 05:34 PM
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Turning the boat, operator should have looked around first. I always try to check my situation when in channels because there aren’t Kane’s and signals
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It is clear the nav rules were not written to anticipate a boat going 60. Even if the bass boat did give a single blast on his horn signaling a pass to port, would the bay boat, with his motor screaming in his ear, have ever heard it.
I do blame the bay boat for making that radical a course change without looking back to see if anyone was coming at a closing speed of 44 feet per second. I learned you never do anything to course or speed without a quick look around to see who you are going to get hit by when you do ... but maybe I am just old. He could have had the same problem just slowing down suddenly if this was a narrow channel.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:11 AM
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The bay boat made a huge course change without looking to see if he was being overtaken. Even though bass boat had obligation to avoid collision, he could not avoid a boat that abruptly made a 90 degree course change. The bay boat, as the stand-on vessel was supposed to stand on, not turn 90 degrees without looking and maintaining a watch. Bay boats fault for not even knowing another boat was overtaking him. I think the lesson here is to look over your shoulder before making a huge course change.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:28 AM
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I have mentioned this before, but this seems to be a good place to do so again. Dispense with the notion that in a maritime collision there is an "at fault party." When the Coast Guard does an investigation they establish facts and do not assign blame in any way. If accidents are litigated, fault is apportioned the overwhelming majority of the time. This is a short and simple power point that I found online:

https://eclass.aueb.gr/modules/docum...n%20Claims.pdf

You may be exercising caution, but if you are assigned 10% of the blame in an accident where another person is killed, you may be on the hook for 10% of the value of that human life. That fact alone should scare you into absolute extreme caution and to purchase a good insurance policy.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:45 AM
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Lots of blame to go around. The bay boat failed to maintain an adequate watch and turned into the passing boat. The passing boat passed too close to the overtaken boat and was unable to avoid the collision.
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