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Before I screw this up... Gemlux Steering wheel question

Old 03-16-2019, 12:17 PM
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Default Before I screw this up... Gemlux Steering wheel question

Ok -- new helm (from boatsteer.com rebuilt, awesome service, thanks Kevin).

New Gemlux 3 spoke with the 1501 nut (didn't know there was a THT discount, I'm an idiot).

I can only get the steering wheel nut on about 1 turn and then it is too tight for fingers. I know it's a 5/8" nut, but are there different possibilites for thread pitch or anything weird like that? I mean it's a std teleflex Seastar tilt helm. Pic is as far down as it goes with fingers.

I have a note out to Jerry at Gemlux --- but it's the weekend. Part of me just wants to crank it down with a socket. Another part of me doesn't want to crank down on it and somehow ruin the helm install. Thoughts?

Could be this is totally normal...




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Old 03-16-2019, 12:24 PM
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I am pretty sure SeaStar helms are all 5/8-18 thread as is the 1501 Gemlux Nut.

Take a close look at the threads and be sure nothing is dinged or there isn’t any dirt/crud in the the threads.

Then if all looks good you can slowly tighten the nut 1/2 a turn at a time and then remove to inspect and see if there are any thread issues.

On a separate note if you see any blue or red compound inside the Gemlux Nut that may be thread locker which will keep the Nut from backing off.
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:25 PM
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Probably a metric nut. They make both, they should have specified when you purchased it.
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Old 03-16-2019, 12:26 PM
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A Uflex hem will take a M12 Nut
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Old 03-16-2019, 02:23 PM
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boatsteer should know what they supplied you
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:39 PM
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Good for you for not just hammering it home, I can respect a guy that pays attention to things, most don’t. My hats off to you
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Old 03-16-2019, 04:19 PM
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OK gents -- thanks for the responses -- was out getting on the other stuff.

KP06 -- ok, backed the nut off. wiped off the grease. followed the threads back on both the nut and the threaded shaft, no apparent galling or anything. Didn't check for threadlocker, that's a great idea -- after I recover a little bit I'll check that idea.

BackCove -- Yikes - I didn't know that there were metric helms out there. This is a SeaStar 1.4 Cu Inch pump with a new Tilt Mech.

BullShipper -- yeah I even called Gemlux and specifically asked about "hey, it's a standard SeaStar helm, not a pro, not a verado ... what do you guys usually sell w/ that?" --- the answer was that "well the seastar pro is listed, I'm sure it's the same". I was reluctant as the regular Seastar was not listed as a 1501, but it wasn't listed anywhere.

Brownman -- yeah, 10 years ago I would have just gotten a longer lever, but every year my dad gets smarter and smarter...

I think it's a 5/8" nut because i have found a seastar diagram that says so -- but i don't know the pitch or anything like that. I thought that seastar was pretty much the universal standard, I had no idea that this part would be a thing...
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Old 03-16-2019, 04:52 PM
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no thread locker. I gave it a bit more force, and it did seem like it was threading on smoothly. but with 3/8" of threads left to tighten down it just seems like it shouldn't be this difficult to turn yet.

I think i'm maybe just gunshy -- it took me 45 minutes to figure out that Seastar had changed to this new (and incompatible) o-ring style hydraulic fitting (cost me $36 for three straights at WM because i was desperate to make SOME progress).
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Old 03-16-2019, 06:03 PM
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I would make sure it's right before trying too hard and not sure what they recomend but some grease on the threads to keep it from hauling if it's the right nut.

if you ever mess with stainless hardware you will under stand that when it start to bind up, might as well cut it off as chances of it backing off with out flat out getting stuck are slim.
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Old 03-18-2019, 12:04 PM
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Update for posterity:

Used the nut that came with the Kevin's Seastar rebuilt kit to bleed the system -- that nut fit great -- all bled and ready to go.

Evan from Seastar: "The nut from the wheel company needs to be a 5/8s NFT and the shaft of the tilt mech is stainless steel so use anti seize
The nut should screw on finger tight yes. Let me know if you need anything else"

Jerry from Gemlux also got back to me right away monday morning -- sending a new cap wheel nut, perhaps just bad threads was his thought.

Kevin from BoatSteer also got back to me right away monday morning -- just to see if he could help and shoot out the idea of checking if the nut came with steering pump fits.

Super impressed that all 3 companies got back to me literally w/in hours of them walking into office. It's so nice to deal with folks like that. I'll update later for the next guy who runs into something like this.
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Old 03-21-2019, 03:27 PM
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Resolution -- ok, got a new steering wheel cap nut from Jerry at GemLux -- finger tight the whole way down to where it should be. So I guess there was something (that i couldn't see) that wasn't quite right w/ the first one, I will offer to send it back to him in case he wants to look. The Gemlux wheel feels awesome. I'm glad i didn't just "crank her down!".

GemLux, BoatSteer and Seastar were all fantastic to deal with. Smart, prompt, helpful the whole way around.

Solved.
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Old 03-21-2019, 06:24 PM
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Good job with the follow up on the fix, a lot of people just don't bother.
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Old 03-21-2019, 10:42 PM
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It's always good to hear about great support! Thanks for the update.
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Old 03-22-2019, 07:22 PM
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I really just want to thank the OP flipfloplife for this thread, today I found myself replacing a shaft seal in an older seastar help pump, had to take wheel off and various nuts and bolts were quite finicky to say the least. Kept asking myself what would "cross threaded nut guy" do... I put my patient hat on, got the PB blaster out and took a few deep breaths... THT logic and patience paid off, thanks OP for this thread no parts were harmed today because of you
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