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Old 03-13-2019, 10:32 AM
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Where were the dock boys? Marina Jacks has always had them for just this reason. When that U-shaped public dock has boats on it, it can be unnerving to dock and depart even for the most experienced.

Oh... and novice or no experienced boaters are not exclusive to Florida.
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:49 AM
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Welcome to Florida!

Scuffed gelcoat is what, 2 points? With family in the boat he gets 5 points. He missed out on 10 points because he wasn't drunk.
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Old 03-13-2019, 11:48 AM
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Oooohh the tragedies of being an empowered white man in this cruel luxury world !!!
sounds like CNN
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:39 PM
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I quit my marina and went back to trailering when they added a boat club. Too many idiots in too tight an area. I'd rather deal with the boat ramps.
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Old 03-13-2019, 06:00 PM
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I always get some enjoyment at the gas docks watching 'captains' trying to negotiate docking their bosts. Best is straight in.
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Old 03-13-2019, 06:07 PM
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I have friends in the Freedom Boat Club and they had to take a class, undergo on water training and demonstrate proficiency.

I have seen alot of nonsense from owners and renters.
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Old 03-13-2019, 06:24 PM
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This is why I never leave my boat at a restaurant where I can't watch - and protect - it from inexperienced twits. However, don't know anyone would have been able to do much in a scenario as yours.
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Old 03-13-2019, 06:55 PM
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Why haven't Rat Rod boats caught on like the Rat Rod antique cars? Beat up looking rides that run fantastic. Who cares who bumps it, hardly ever wash it, just keep it running smooth and forget the rest.
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Old 03-13-2019, 07:11 PM
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We lived on a boat in a marina that also had a Freedom Boat Club. Daily had very inexperienced captains coming in and out of the basin at the fuel dock.

One day, captain came in from being out. It started to rain hard just as he was coming into the basin. He panicked and jammed it in forward. Slammed bow first into a beautiful 50ft sailing yacht across from us, one slip away.

This happened in St Augustine, Florida in 2016.
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Old 03-13-2019, 07:25 PM
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This might help you feel a little better. My wife and I were sitting still in a one month old vehicle at a red light waiting for it to turn green when a car going approx. 60 mph was driving in the wrong lane coming in the opposite direction hit us head on without even applying brakes. He got a mere ticket and my wife was the recipient of four surgeries and still isn't fully recovered, and I was the recipient of four broken ribs from the seat belt. All of this from simply sitting still at a red light. It will take me a long time to get over this accident, but each day gets a little better. We are both fortunate to be alive. I have learned to accept the fact that we live in a world with some crazy people and always have to be on guard.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:55 PM
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I am still amazed that someone with absolutely no experience is allowed to rent a boat and head out on the ICW. He put his entire family at risk as well as the lives of the other boaters that he encountered. I see guys like this on the ICW every time I go out but this is the first time I had any direct interaction with one. It was dangerously irresponsible on his part. I just don't understand why someone would even try it. He's lucky that no one got hurt.
There are a couple of comments that I have on this. I know that it is frustrating to get crashed into. It has happened to me and I didn't like it.

But... that stuff is just going to happen. Boats are a bit tricky to handle in close quarters and people will crash into each other from time to time. Hopefully no one gets hurt but that will happen too.

I have to admit that it is kind of fun and exciting to watch people dock in the pretty challenging environment at my marina. I've been docking there for a long time and it still gets the better of me on occasion. I have availed myself of a lot of training and certification in the boating world. None of those those creds help me not crash into others in docking situations or help me with situational awareness. Certainly training has helped, but experience is of course the best teacher.

So... for those few of us that came out of the womb with perfect boating skills ... no worries. For the rest of us, well, we might crash into you while attempting to dock of get off the dock. Sorry, here is my insurance information.

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Old 03-14-2019, 07:13 PM
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Did you have the "right of way" ? (Rule 9)

Because, as described, a "little sloop" under sail in a narrow channel or fairway "shall not impede the passage of a vessel that can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway" (Huge Yacht)

Just sayin'
I was under power and sail in the right half of the channel only. The other boat was on my side of the channel approaching head on. Nowhere for me to go except out of the channel. I guess because I was in a sailboat, you assumed I was at fault... as usual here.
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Old 03-15-2019, 07:22 PM
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I was under power and sail in the right half of the channel only. The other boat was on my side of the channel approaching head on. Nowhere for me to go except out of the channel. I guess because I was in a sailboat, you assumed I was at fault... as usual here.
There is no "your half of the channel" if the huge yacht needs the whole channel. That's why professionals discuss passing and meeting on the radio. You were just a "small powerboat" (your sails were up, right? Just so everyone knows you have the right of way? ) in a meeting situation with a huge yacht and you have a mutual responsibility to reach an agreement on how to pass each other.

A 100' boat in a 100' wide channel needs most of the channel to make a bend or turn. Pivot point is one third back, so 66' of boat is swinging out to make the turn.

And so you chastised the huge yacht operator, who didn't have the common courtesy to stop in the middle of the channel to discuss the matter with you. 🙄

Typical blow-boater... Stay out of the channel please and learn the rules. If you can't figure out that the big boat needs the whole channel and the little boat doesn't, get a new hobby.

"While sailing in my little sloop" means you were sailing. Don't BS me now that you're under power. You're under 20 meters. Huge yacht is over 20 meters. You're in a narrow channel. Get the hell out of the way. Refer to rule 9
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Old 03-15-2019, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RickC137 View Post
There is no "your half of the channel" if the huge yacht needs the whole channel. That's why professionals discuss passing and meeting on the radio. You were just a "small powerboat" (your sails were up, right? Just so everyone knows you have the right of way) in a meeting situation with a huge yacht and you have a mutual responsibility to reach an agreement on how to pass each other.

A 100' boat in a 100' wide channel needs most of the channel to make a bend or turn. Pivot point is one third back, so 66' of boat is swinging out to make the turn.

And so you chastised the huge yacht operator, who didn't have the common courtesy to stop in the middle of the channel to discuss the matter with you. ��

Typical blow-boater... Stay out of the channel please and learn the rules. If you can't figure out that the big boat needs the whole channel and the little boat doesn't, get a new hobby.

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Typical uneducated guesser. His vessel was 80 ft in length and 20 ft wide, Channel was 200 ft WIDE. NO bends at the point of error. How do you defend forcing me out of the channel on his port side? I guess on the water, you have the right of way over everyone. Typical arrogant stink boat operator.

And by the way, this drug smuggler admitted it was his first try in the "boat"..
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Old 03-15-2019, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RickC137 View Post
"While sailing in my little sloop" means you were sailing. Don't BS me now that you're under power. You're under 20 meters. Huge yacht is over 20 meters. You're in a narrow channel. Get the hell out of the way. Refer to rule 9
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Sailing is a generic term for most boat operators. If you don't know that, get some education. In any event I was on the farthest right side of the channel. You don't know what size the channel is or what size his boat was, just ignorance at it's worst.
Get some help at least with your attitude.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:00 PM
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Stupid rule. What is your motivation for pix of other men's wives????
I have been involved in online forums for close to 15 years. He is the only person I have ever put on an ignore list because he contributes nothing positive to this forum. That schtick is stupid and juvenile, and detracts from the experience on this forum - and I do not understand why it is tolerated.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:06 PM
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"Sailing my little sloop" means "I'm a sailboat and I should have the right of way"
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80' is greater than 20 meters. "My little sloop" certainly is not.

Again, I'll refer you to rule 9. That's the Navrules by the way, inland and international.

I'll get you on two whistles cap.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:10 PM
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Boats need to be easier to use. If they were, more people would own them and use them safely. Even the crustiest, saltiest of captains has a captain crunch day now and then. Anybody heard of Nigel Calder? Only one the most highly respected boat repair, maintenance and cruisers on the planet. He wrote "The boat owner's Mechanical and Electrical Manual" and is on the technical committee for E-11 electrical standard at ABYC. If I ever try a solo circumnavigation, I'm taking him with me.
I just read a story Calder wrote in the latest Professional Boabuilder magazine about how he grounded his sailboat because of pilot error off the coast of Spain. Destroyed his rudder, tube...
If it's ok for Nigel to have a captain crunch moment, then chill about the guy in the rental Scout. Take a newbie boating and show them how the pros do it. Not everybody learned to handle a boat when they were kids like us. My brother wanted to buy his first boat at age 60+. I tried to talk him out of it but failed. His only Captain C moment (that I know about) is hooking up the battery cables backwards and frying some expensive stuff.
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Old 03-15-2019, 11:59 PM
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I'm sick for you. Five summers ago took a trip with friends to Destin and didn't tow anything so we rented a pontoon for crab Island one day. Been driving boats by myself since I was 12, taken boater safety, have the state license etc. I get to rent and the guy says sign this paper, this(the throttle) makes it go forward and back, you have a full tank of gas be back by 5. I haven't seen such a shit show in my life. People hitting people, boats and running into docks. No one is held accountable. Never again.
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Old 03-16-2019, 03:37 AM
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I've had boats up to 24' in my lifetime. Early on ('70's) I took the USPS course during the winter months which filled in the time for a boring winter but best of all I learned may things I didn't know before. I never put us in situations where it could lead to dangerous encounters, I am never in a hurry to get off the water unless weather is moving in (don't go out on iffy days anyway). Holiday weekends are spent doing something else.

There are boats out there that I would never pilot without some kind of practice with an experienced person on board (i.e. twin engine type inboard boats, boats in excess length of my experience) because of the lack of experience. If I never operated a boat outside of my experience but wanted to buy one I would hire a Captain to get me to where I was competent and comfortable to operate it by myself. I have my limitations and I am not that macho/stupid where I wouldn't admit it.

Brings to mind somewhere back in the late '80's where a friend from work bought his first new boat (single screw, maybe 22 or 23 feet). Asked me to help him dock the boat when he took delivery at a local ramp. Dealer launched the boat and tied it off to the dock. Dealer started the boat for us. We boarded it and soon after tried to back out of the ramp area. Pulled the throttle back and we went forward into the ramp which scarred up the gelcoat on the bow. Needless to say I was sick about it.

Dealer said I had no idea what I was doing (I let him rant). We tied it back up and let some slack out of the lines, the Dealer got on board put it reverse and HE went forward (we held onto the lines). Here they crossed the lines for the throttle/shifter at the outdrive during prep. I did get the boat to the dock but what a weird experience using the throttle in the opposite directions.
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