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Old 03-13-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LBI View Post
After all, Parker screwed up, so people need to pay for their mistakes. He owner got screwed, Did not get what he contracted for. Now he has the agita, time & trouble of dealing with rectifying through manufacturer, loss of boat use during the wait for a new boat. I would be mucho pissed if I was the owner of that boat. Guy undoubtedly paid a boatload of $ for that Parker.
After buying and then finding this I would want all my money back including any additional expenses I incurred. This is not a simple stress crack issue or gelcoat blemish, IMO they intentionally allowed this boat out the door knowing it was defective and hoped nobody would notice. I wouldn't want a replacement or repair I would want a full refund. Any of you recent Parker owners should be checking your boats.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:02 PM
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First, I would never try to check the level of a boat, or anything, that is 8-9 feet wide by using an 8-9 inch wide portion of the keel. But, assuming that his leveling is accurate in the last video, wouldn't Parker have had to trim all the way around the bottom of the pilot house to make it sit flush on the deck, and level with the hull? And if that deck is bonded to the top of the stringers, and to the hull sides, that inch and a half error on the deck is just a symptom of the underlying problem. The poster who simplified the repair as a one day fix, seemed to be speaking on Parker's behalf, but I don't recall that he was identified as a bona fide representative.
I don't have the time, or the desire, to try to explain my previous comments about salvage car titles to those who misinterpreted, except to say that I believe that this boat should have a history which follows it, so that future owners can make an informed decision. If I bought that boat someone sold with a new hull, or his truck with a new engine, I couldn't feel good about it, unless I knew about it. But there is nothing that turns me away from considering a used boat, or truck, as fast as seeing that it has a 'rebuilt engine', especially with less than 10 hours on it.
As a Parker owner, I have some idea of how they are constructed. If they wanted to take my 2000, and take it apart and try to make it new again, I would be all for it. But, it still wouldn't be a new boat, and neither will this 2018, or whatever year it is. They simply are not built to be taken apart like Legos, and that build is what sells Parkers.
I don't usually keep a golf ball long enough to show any wear. At my age, I lose sight of them after the first 50 yards, but I do have a few that I would like to send back to Calloway to have taken apart and rebuilt.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSlotMachine View Post
The FACTS you don't know is this guy won't communicate with the Factory. They have already offered to fix it and if they can't fix it replace it. They can't do anything if they don't have the boat and the FACT is this guy won't let them have the boat. Won't let them Buy Back the Boat, etc.
4 Posts on an older account... and the only thing posted about is this thread.

Yeah -- I'd believe everything you say. LOL.

Seriously. What advantage does the owner of the boat receive by doing nothing? The boat needs to be replaced. There is no chance I'd let the mfg. take the boat apart and "fix" it. That's BS.

...or, how about that. Why don't *you* explain *exactly* why the boat is like that? You seem to have all the inside info. I'm curious was there something on the stringer? Was the string not seated right? What?
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
4 Posts on an older account... and the only thing posted about is this thread.

Yeah -- I'd believe everything you say. LOL.

Seriously. What advantage does the owner of the boat receive by doing nothing? The boat needs to be replaced. There is no chance I'd let the mfg. take the boat apart and "fix" it. That's BS.

...or, how about that. Why don't *you* explain *exactly* why the boat is like that? You seem to have all the inside info. I'm curious was there something on the stringer? Was the string not seated right? What?

Youtube views!!!

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Old 03-13-2019, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dsharp View Post
It looks like the cockpit sole and deck/cap is all layed up in one piece. Assuming the hull sides are the same how does something like this get out of shape?
I should have put a caveat in my previous post. I haven't been on any Parkers in a good while but the way they used to be built was to lay in deck boards and glass them in place. If they have changed to a liner type system then the repair would be a little different but still similar to what I described. Looking at the video, it appears to me the pilot house and gunwale are one piece and the deck is built separately. It also appears to be the same type of construction as they have used in the past (deck boards glassed in place). If you look at the video that Anthem posted, from about 1:50 to about 2:00, you can see the pilot house bulkhead with a molded step up to the gunwale. There is a piece of trim to hide the joint at the deck. That trim wouldn't be there if it was all one molded part.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:44 PM
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Good question about his intentions, he wants money, upgrades, and ultimately youtube viewers. Believe me or not. I don't care. The deck wasn't laid correctly. This shouldn't have left the factory, Parker Boats has admitted it. Linwood has reached out to him directly multiple times had arraignments to pick up the boat multiple times and the Owner has cancelled and tried to change the terms each time. For professional reason everything can't come to light. Rest assured that it will though, especially if "OutontheReef" continues with the defamation of character of Parker Boats.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSlotMachine View Post
Good question about his intentions, he wants money, upgrades, and ultimately youtube viewers. Believe me or not. I don't care. The deck wasn't laid correctly. This shouldn't have left the factory, Parker Boats has admitted it. Linwood has reached out to him directly multiple times had arraignments to pick up the boat multiple times and the Owner has cancelled and tried to change the terms each time. For professional reason everything can't come to light. Rest assured that it will though, especially if "OutontheReef" continues with the defamation of character of Parker Boats.
I think something is beginning to come to light. He "apparently" isn't interested in what Parker has to offer and from what I'm reading, they've (Parker) been to the moon and back with solutions. So seeing his mechanical skills, I suspect he's hoping for something of value (radar) rather than have them repair BECAUSE he can repair it himself and/or just live with it. If I were Parker, I'd just do the radar thing and let it go. They'll put that much effort n' dollars or more into the deal to make it right and sometimes the fight just isn't worth it.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OReely View Post
I should have put a caveat in my previous post. I haven't been on any Parkers in a good while but the way they used to be built was to lay in deck boards and glass them in place. If they have changed to a liner type system then the repair would be a little different but still similar to what I described. Looking at the video, it appears to me the pilot house and gunwale are one piece and the deck is built separately. It also appears to be the same type of construction as they have used in the past (deck boards glassed in place). If you look at the video that Anthem posted, from about 1:50 to about 2:00, you can see the pilot house bulkhead with a molded step up to the gunwale. There is a piece of trim to hide the joint at the deck. That trim wouldn't be there if it was all one molded part.
Thank you, I went back and looked at how it was built. It was hard to watch the first time with the owner griping about the "floor"
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by OReely View Post
I should have put a caveat in my previous post. I haven't been on any Parkers in a good while but the way they used to be built was to lay in deck boards and glass them in place. If they have changed to a liner type system then the repair would be a little different but still similar to what I described. Looking at the video, it appears to me the pilot house and gunwale are one piece and the deck is built separately. It also appears to be the same type of construction as they have used in the past (deck boards glassed in place). If you look at the video that Anthem posted, from about 1:50 to about 2:00, you can see the pilot house bulkhead with a molded step up to the gunwale. There is a piece of trim to hide the joint at the deck. That trim wouldn't be there if it was all one molded part.
you would be correct, there were a few Parkers built with an actual liner. i think it was a rarely seen (at least around here) walkaround. I know this because I had to change the tank and its the one and only time I have personally seen a full finished liner in a Parker. To this day that is the only one I have ever seen.
They still sell WA but it looks to be same deck construction as their pilothouse boat

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Old 03-13-2019, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Raybo Marine NY View Post
you would be correct, there were a few Parkers built with an actual liner. i think it was a rarely seen (at least around here) walkaround. I know this because I had to change the tank and its the one and only time I have personally seen a full finished liner in a Parker. To this day that is the only one I have ever seen.
They still sell WA but it looks to be same deck construction as their pilothouse boat
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:37 PM
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For those of you saying the OOTR would rather have Youtube clicks than settle with Parker, do you even know how Youtube works? I thought this guy must be racking up Katie Sunshine numbers, and when I look, his vid has about 12K views, and his others about this problem total a few thousand.
YT pays for clicks on advertiser links, not views, and those clicks have to watch the ads for a certain amount of time to count. How many of you clicked on an ad on one of his vids? Did he ask you to subscribe to his videos, click on an ad, or mention any sponsors? Did he try to direct sell you a product? It's going to take a long time to buy a new Parker at his rate. You can't start monetizing your video until you get 10K views. Then, for every thousand more views, you will be lucky to get a dollars worth of ad clicks. Do you think he has made $5 yet?
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So would this have happened if the boat in question was a pontoon?? Hmmmmm
i think not
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Old 03-13-2019, 03:56 PM
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Here is what I don't understand and maybe someone can help me with the logic?

Scenario one - Parker has offered this dude a full refund and will pick the boat up? I assume this will cost Parker at least over $10K and maybe more because they lose thier profit and eat the cost of labor.

Scenario two - This dude refused his money back and said he wants a new boat with a free Radar. Parker would still make profit off of the boat and lose the cost of the Radar...maybe $2k (thier cost)?

Sooo...why wouldn't Parker take the dude up on Scenario two with the condition he remove the YT videos? I don't understand the logic? Wouldn''t Parker still be in the black? Can someone explain this? Thanks
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Originally Posted by glacierbaze View Post
For those of you saying the OOTR would rather have Youtube clicks than settle with Parker, do you even know how Youtube works? I thought this guy must be racking up Katie Sunshine numbers, and when I look, his vid has about 12K views, and his others about this problem total a few thousand.
YT pays for clicks on advertiser links, not views, and those clicks have to watch the ads for a certain amount of time to count. How many of you clicked on an ad on one of his vids? Did he ask you to subscribe to his videos, click on an ad, or mention any sponsors? Did he try to direct sell you a product? It's going to take a long time to buy a new Parker at his rate. You can't start monetizing your video until you get 10K views. Then, for every thousand more views, you will be lucky to get a dollars worth of ad clicks. Do you think he has made $5 yet?
Every money maker on YouTube had to start somewhere, and that somewhere was the bottom. Maybe this is his way of trying to break out.
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Originally Posted by homeby51 View Post
Here is what I don't understand and maybe someone can help me with the logic?

Scenario one - Parker has offered this dude a full refund and will pick the boat up? I assume this will cost Parker at least over $10K and maybe more because they lose thier profit and eat the cost of labor.

Parker would then fix and sell the boat, thus subrogating their loss. In the end they may even make money.

Scenario two - This dude refused his money back and said he wants a new boat with a free Radar. Parker would still make profit off of the boat and lose the cost of the Radar...maybe $2k (thier cost)?

Giving this guy free shit sets a precedent. Next thing you know everyone want free electronics, trailers, upgrades, etc. If anything, a free 100hr service would be more in line.

Sooo...why wouldn't Parker take the dude up on Scenario two with the condition he remove the YT videos? I don't understand the logic? Wouldn''t Parker still be in the black? Can someone explain this?

I haven't read their warranty (someone here should) but there's a chance that this guy actually has no legal rights to anything. This isn't going to affect the performance or safety of the boat. It's cosmetic. Plus he's already altered the structure with his ghetto upgrades. And he admitted on video that he saw the problem right after he bought the boat and before the upgrades. He made his additions knowing about the issue and now he wants Parker to pay more to re-do these upgrades on a new boat. Parker is being a stand-up company and making offers, trying to find a solution. The owner put a stop to all that by refusing all offers and now refusing to communicate with them other than by posting more videos.

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Old 03-13-2019, 04:28 PM
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Once Parker gets this hull back, they’ll remove the deck, shore up the short stringers or grind the other side down to match then reinstall. Parker donates boats to charitable causes and this will likely be one of those boats.

This guy will likely end up keeping his mods so he can Bubba up his new Parker.

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From the Parker video, I think the deck come out of the mold with the defect.

Watching the video and studying these photos it appears the deck is one piece and that is what will need to be removed and replaced, with their equipment, cranes, sanders, wet fiberglass, and so fourth, put four guys on this project and I think that deck could be easily lifted off and any damage done to the hull and stringers (which would be very little), all that could be repaired and completed before lunch time. Have a brand new deck on stand-by, after lunch lower that thing on the hull and secure and re-rig the components, four guys, that’s a day job. Then another day for detail work. That job is done, no different at all then a brand new boat, nothing is rebuilt or patched except maybe the screw and bolt holes have been fillled, that’s a new boat and being a buyer of this boat used and I was told that the manufacturing had to install a new deck, that should not be a concern.
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I will take it if he doesn’t want it.

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Originally Posted by Bryan A. View Post
I had plenty of issues with the build quality of my Parker when I owned it, nothing to this extent but they aren't as solid as most people think.

Not unsafe by anymeans but manufacturing problems that should not be happening in this day and age. Mine was a 2004.

I chose not to put them online so I could sell the boat eventually.

Quick question: How many Parker owners have a leaky Vee Berth, port or stbd side when pounding through a sea??

I will not buy another one.
I had a Steiger. It was ok. I bought a new 2013 Parker 2820. I love it better than the steiger. It's a beast. Everyone who come on the boat loves it.And I don't have any leaks.
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I had a Steiger. It was ok. I bought a new 2013 Parker 2820. I love it better than the steiger. It's a beast. Everyone who come on the boat loves it.And I don't have any leaks.
FWIW Brian had a great looking boat. I love the layout of that hull but the 25 has the shortest beam to length ratio of all Parkers. It's a 25-30mph boat. That said, using his words he pounded the hull in rough seas and if you pound it and stuff it consistently (operator error) it's not a submarine and it is not unreasonable to have breaches in the sealant and gasket at the forward hull to cap joint. To correct this issue he needed to wedge the joint, clean out the old sealant and redo that and seal all the rub rail hardware as well. There were also measures he could have taken raise the stern to get relief from the heavy older technology motors he was running. It would have ridden like a completely different hull.
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