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Old 09-09-2006, 05:57 AM
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It's salmon season on the river. Virtually all of the boatable part of the river is a no wake zone. All of us that have riverfront property have a great deal to lose when people make a wake by dock damage, boat damage or bank erosion. These chuckleheads don't seem to understand what No Wake means. In an effort to be a good neighbor, I'm asking what would you respond to without being too cheesed off? I don't want to come across as a jerk but seriously, it causes so much damage when someone goes through with a big wake. Some boats make little wake, others even though they're going 5mph or a little less throw up a tsunami! No wake means no wake right?
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If there going up current, there will be a wake from a boat of any size.
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:38 AM
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We're in the tidewater. There's no current to speak of.
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:47 AM
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When people are running against a hard tide they need to slow way down to not throw a wake here, not easy. There are certainly some people who just don't give a sh!t, look straight ahead and ignore the people on the docks screamin at them, but in reality it's not that many here. I keep a whistle, and the just signal them if I deem it's necessary. I learned long ago to set up lines so the boat and docks are safe in storm conditions, and tolerate rather than lose my temper. Best thing my neighbors and I did was have professionally made no wake signs and included 'PWC's IDLE SPEED' Those SOB's screamin by the dock all day long gets old real fast.
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Old 09-09-2006, 07:36 AM
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Join the coast guard aux and sit in the back of your boat with a video camera right underneath that big orange sing,
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Old 09-09-2006, 07:56 AM
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The biggest problem I have found is that boaters see large open areas of water turned to no wake areas by "wealthy" water front home owners and refuse to care about them or the law. This is not a law like no speeding in a school zone where drivers see that they are wrong, many of these people see themselfs as right. I don't know Huck BB62 situation but if all the boatable portion of a river was no-wake because of waterfront development you must have many unhappy boaters.

I don't think there is an easy answer to this one.
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Old 09-09-2006, 09:37 AM
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It's just not the kind of waterway to be haulin' butt anyway, it just doesn't make sense for 'em to want to. Wake causes a lot of damage. The strong arms to our docks have been been, brackets ripped out, the bulkhead's undermined from wake action. It's pretty much a fishing river.



Pic of our stretch of the river.


Our neighborhood, notice all the docks.

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Old 09-09-2006, 10:06 AM
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You bought waterfront property.... This is part of owning it... If you don't like the expense involved from keeping it up, because of wake damage or just
general wear and tear, the simple solution is to move to land that does not border water.

Sorry but that's the way I see it.. Long before people came to the land, there were waterways, and water runns unchecked untill we humans try to control it. You will never control the water and errosion is part of life it's what rivers do... Just because it doesn't suit you and your waterfront property, well..... Sorry....


And I agree completely with what NJ208 posted.. If it's a government issued no wake, I observe it wholeheartedly.. But just because a bunch of well'ta'dooers move in and develop along a navigable waterway and then think they can control people who use said waterway, that doesn't fly with me.
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Old 09-09-2006, 10:31 AM
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Wow what a nice neighborhood. Very pretty spot you have there. To fix the problem open a waterfront Dunken Donuts or Starbucks at the upper end of the river. The instant increase in LE presence will fix your problem and you might make a little profit to boot. Seriously it was really bad in front of my dads place in Marco before a Starbucks and a Cold Stone ice cream place opened up. A lot more cops going upriver makes for more conscientious traffic. Another thought is to arrange free dockage for the local LE. Nothing like a two tone parker with a light bar to slow em down.
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Old 09-09-2006, 10:49 AM
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Perhaps you should check, but does the deed for your property give you control over the river out back? I didn't think so.
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How do you slow them down?
If this is indeed a legal no wake zone, then just photograph them and give the photos to local LE. It will show the face, the registration numbers, and the wake.


This is a difficult issue though. You are on a river, the only way up or down is right by your houses. It is not like these people have to turn off the main body of water, and enter a canal to come bother you.

In my area, houses that are off the main waterway have floating docks. Houses that are exposed to the main channel generally do not. They have boat lifts, and big, heavy, freestanding piers on pilings that can stand up to the beating. Property Owners need to be respectful of other users too.

However, good or bad, right or wrong, the law is the law. If this is a designated no wake zone, then get those photos, and things will stop.

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Old 09-09-2006, 11:08 AM
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DWG,

Good post! It's not about breaking laws it's about are these legal no wake zones? And have the property owners stepped up to do thier part? You *choose*
to live on a water way, and if it's navigable you will have traffic and that is life.. It is your (property owner) responsibility to maintain your dockage and you
should build it to withstand what it would be subjected to in the particular environment. I personally would either have my own concrete launch or have a boat
lift if I had waterfront property. And my dockage would also be floating on steel pilings, with bearing block capstans.

If it's a legal no wake zone, then by all means take those pictures.. If it's not, then do your part to ensure your dockage is built accordingly or move..

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Old 09-09-2006, 12:18 PM
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Is it an official legal "No Wake" Zone or did some of the residents just post their own signs?

I generally obey the official zones. I ignore the privately posted zones unless there is a vessel in distress or somebody is trying to get their boat on or off a boat lift.

You could try why what residents along the ICW in Florida did, whine about a manatee sighting and get Jimmy Buffett to start an anti-boating organization.
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Old 09-09-2006, 04:44 PM
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Wow, that is a beautiful location.

How about casting a heavy sinker at them?

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Old 09-09-2006, 04:51 PM
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shoot em with a flaregun
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Old 09-09-2006, 05:02 PM
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Wow has that placed changed in 30 years. Used to catch some great winter steelhead up river and salmon in the tidewater with shrimp on a bobber when I had my hatchery in Corvallis. Great great river with a fish hatchery, the Alsea.

Anyway

A camera with a motion detector, and a sign up and down river will do wonders.

You bought rights to the river, have right to protect your property, and preserve the area for fishing IMO, as long as the authorities will back you up.
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Stinger, I love your comments.. Makes a lot of sense...
I bet you whine like a baby when someone is throwing a wake while you put your jetski on it's trailer.
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So, Is it a government posted "NO WAKE" or just the property owners. There is no such thing as a fishing river only..I just looked it up in the rules book of rivers.
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Judging by the pics, that's not a wide river. Around here it's no wake within 150 feet of shore so unless the water is more than 300' across it's a No-Wake area regardless of signage. Myself, I'm not a saint but I do slow down near docks and bridges when I'm on a river.

Those houses look like they belong to rich folks. Dont you make donatations at election time? If law-enforcement hasnt taken any action contact your local elected officials and tell them you feel the current government does not seem to be maintaining public order in your back-yard and you are losing confidence in them. Dont expect too much though unless your neighborhood association wants to hire LEO's to provide "security" to your water-front (my state permits off-duty cops to do private duty and still isue citations).


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Hey Genius....

I don't own a Jet Ski or Jet Ski's....


What I am saying is that just because you bought waterfront property does not mean that YOU own the waterway. As long as the waterway is navigable per the rules and you can stay on plane and remain at least 150' away from the banks on each side then I see absolutely NO problem with staying on plane.

Just because you bought a house on the water does NOT give you permission to throw no wake signs up and down the river, you don't own the water. The government on the otherhand, DOES own the waterway. And if they see fit to post a no wake sign then it's a different story completely.


I would like to think I am a respectful boater, I stay far away from the shoreline when I am on plane and I come off plane
at all the marinas and bridges and cruise at slow no wake (even though no one else does, including the so-called fishermen and women) but I just can't stand the idea that someone buys a home on the water and then has this idea in thier head that they own the waterway too.

In this particular case, judging from the photos it does look narrow, and if the no wake signs are government posted then I say go ahead and take some photographs...


(And for the record I don't have problems putting my boat on the trailer... And people are very respectful at the marina where I launch and retreive and it's not even marked no wake... Go figger....)
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