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Old 02-20-2019, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
Did he have to pay a fine?
That's not the point.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:37 PM
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That's not the point.

I think I understand the point. The point is that a law enforcement officer held him accountable for the law even though he had was doing another boater a serious solid. The extent of that accountability would have been that he may have had to show the Violations Case Coordination Center that the light was operational. That's not a heavy load in my mind. I would have let it slide back in my boarding officer days, but I don't find it appalling that the officer wrote the notice of violation.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
I think I understand the point. The point is that a law enforcement officer held him accountable for the law even though he had was doing another boater a serious solid. The extent of that accountability would have been that he may have had to show the Violations Case Coordination Center that the light was operational. That's not a heavy load in my mind. I would have let it slide back in my boarding officer days, but I don't find it appalling that the officer wrote the notice of violation.
sounded to me like she was a complete bitch in the process of reminding him of the law. May just be me, but I have had very few encounters with female LEO’s that were pleasant.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:43 PM
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Been checked on the st Lawrence and had no problem and been checked in Indian river with no problems but had one hell of a problem when I was too close to Salem nuclear plant. That was totally my fault and I wasn’t paying attention to the boundaries so I can’t blame them for doing there job. The local game wardens seem a lot worse on boats than the coast guard. I guess for stepping onto a unknown boat while we are sea duck hunting, knowing everyone has a gun, they need to be alert. I have no problems with either of them and still say I’m glad there out there.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:44 PM
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is that an internal policy thing, or legal requirement? Why can such info not be obtained by the registration numbers that are available in plain sight? if it’s a policy thing, it’s a pain in the ass for us boaters that are following the law. Internally advocate for an end to that nonsense. It accomplishes nothing productive, wastes time, and puts limb and property at risk. I’m not worried in the least about a couple of cards falling in the water. SCDNR will send me some new ones via mail.
It's a policy thing. The Coast Guard doesn't have a system in place to be able to quickly run vessel registration numbers. The officer needs to record some of the information from the card. The officer will need the vessel length and use (pleasure or commercial) for example to know what laws to apply. Beyond that, passing the required equipment across gunnels carries the same risk of things being dropped. Because that requires arms reach proximity, it carries the same risk of boats bumping and it carries some risk of personnel injury, though admittedly not as much as jumping the gunnel.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
It's a policy thing. The Coast Guard doesn't have a system in place to be able to quickly run vessel registration numbers. The officer needs to record some of the information from. The officer will need the vessel length and use (pleasure or commercial) for example to know what laws to apply. Beyond that, passing the required equipment across gunnels carries the same risk of things being dropped. Because that requires arms reach proximity, it carries the same risk of boats bumping and it carries some risk of personnel injury, though admittedly not as much as jumping the gunnel.
just seems that level of detail is unnecessary. Its blatantly obvious who is pleasure cruising, who is fishing, etc. there is no need to look at PFD tags. If they look legit, carry on. DNR can, why not the coast guard? Internal rules that say so are garbage. Change them. There is no need for all that extra information for the report. It may call for it, but it accomplished nothing. Push back internally to make everyone’s life better and safer rather than continuing the status quo.

I recogize there are times that it is necessary. Those are a fraction of all encounters. Patrol guys should advocate for the encounters to be as quick and unobtrusive as possible. Should sound something along the lines of, “Show me your fire extinguisher, PFD’s, and sound your noise maker” and be on your way. Sure there are nitpicky other stuff you can look at, but it accomplishes nothing but frustration for the folks you are tasked with protecting. There is no need to look at flare dates, etc. in great detail. Sure, remind them of date requirements, but stay high level and out of the weeds.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:59 PM
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A couple of years ago I had to tow a friends 32' boat about 35 miles in to Ocean City Maryland. Got his boat in the slip, got mine parked and in pulls the USCG. The FEMALE IN CHARGE let me know right away who she was and proceeded to give me a ticket for towing without my light on. My fault. Missed out on the awards dinner at the OC Marlin Club, we got 3rd place.
All other interactions with any LEO has been uneventful. Be ready.
Did you ask if she was the Female in Charge
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Old 02-20-2019, 05:07 PM
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I was boarded the first weekend of snook season last year idling to the ramp. Al in all not a horrible experience, though my then 8 year old daughter was nervous about them on my boat.
I have trouble however understanding why they feel the need to board a vessel that they have a completely unobstructed view of. I have all my safety gear stowed in the hatches where I know where it is. No need for 2 officers to stomp around in my flats skiff (that I am particular about) when all they had to do was ask and I could show anything they requested. We were polite however and all was well. I appreciate the job they do and respect the uniform.
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Old 02-20-2019, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
I think I understand the point. The point is that a law enforcement officer held him accountable for the law even though he had was doing another boater a serious solid. The extent of that accountability would have been that he may have had to show the Violations Case Coordination Center that the light was operational. That's not a heavy load in my mind. I would have let it slide back in my boarding officer days, but I don't find it appalling that the officer wrote the notice of violation.
I'm wondering, what was the actual violation? Was it that the tow vessel did not have the compliant "vessel in tow" lighting? I could understand if that was the function of the towing vessel. They should be equipped with the required equipment and know the correct operation. If this was 'just another boater', would they really be required to have that equipment? Isn't there some leniency of the rules when you're operating in an 'emergency' situation, like towing a disabled vessel back to port?

EDIT: I probably should have directed that question to mdman352. I thought he said it was a friend's boat, but rereading his post, it was his. He probably knows the answer to my question.
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Old 02-20-2019, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by autobaun70 View Post


just seems that level of detail is unnecessary. Its blatantly obvious who is pleasure cruising, who is fishing, etc. there is no need to look at PFD tags. If they look legit, carry on. DNR can, why not the coast guard? Internal rules that say so are garbage. Change them. There is no need for all that extra information for the report. It may call for it, but it accomplished nothing. Push back internally to make everyone’s life better and safer rather than continuing the status quo.

I recogize there are times that it is necessary. Those are a fraction of all encounters. Patrol guys should advocate for the encounters to be as quick and unobtrusive as possible. Should sound something along the lines of, “Show me your fire extinguisher, PFD’s, and sound your noise maker” and be on your way. Sure there are nitpicky other stuff you can look at, but it accomplishes nothing but frustration for the folks you are tasked with protecting. There is no need to look at flare dates, etc. in great detail. Sure, remind them of date requirements, but stay high level and out of the weeds.

I did plenty of that on my active duty days. I called it a spot check. One last thing to consider, and this stuff takes place at a level WAY over my head, is that congress needs to see results if they are going to fund the Coast Guard. The proof that the Coast Guard is carrying out their statutory law enforcement charge is in the boarding reports.
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Old 02-20-2019, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
I did plenty of that on my active duty days. I called it a spot check. One last thing to consider, and this stuff takes place at a level WAY over my head, is that congress needs to see results if they are going to fund the Coast Guard. The proof that the Coast Guard is carrying out their statutory law enforcement charge is in the boarding reports.
why can’t a spot check report be written. Fill out a boarding report, and mark all of the stuff you can’t see in detail as n/a, unknown, etc.

I get the chain of command thing. Lower level should carry out the commands of the upper level, and simultaneously loudly advocate for what should be. As in response to BS commands. Don’t question authority, but make an alternate suggestion. If nobody ever makes one, it will never change. If they aren’t questioning the BS, they aren’t doing their jobs completely. This isn’t combat. This is law enforcement. Playing nice to quietly get the next rank of promotion and pins at ceremonies isn’t enough. Y’all answer to your commanders, AND the American taxpayers. Do what the commanders demand, and let them know what we all want. All in the same conversation. It’s not just trickle down.
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I was boarded the first weekend of snook season last year idling to the ramp. Al in all not a horrible experience, though my then 8 year old daughter was nervous about them on my boat.
I have trouble however understanding why they feel the need to board a vessel that they have a completely unobstructed view of. I have all my safety gear stowed in the hatches where I know where it is. No need for 2 officers to stomp around in my flats skiff (that I am particular about) when all they had to do was ask and I could show anything they requested. We were polite however and all was well. I appreciate the job they do and respect the uniform.
At varying times in my career I had some pretty good handouts for kids. I had coloring books, activity books and coupons for a free ice cream cone. I would always take time out to say hello to the kids and assure them that their parent had done nothing wrong. I might even tell them they had a cool life jacket. It takes a while for young officers to really get settled into their roles and learn some of the finer points of the job.
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Old 02-20-2019, 06:36 PM
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I was boarded minutes after I launched the first boat I bought. The boat still had The old RI numbers and I had nothing but a bill of sale. The officers were very straight forward and were kind enough to educate me on the requirements, give me a verbal warning, print a clean boarding certificate and send me on my way. They were smart and made me paranoid about being boarded again so that was a quick and early lesson on maritime safety.
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:12 PM
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I was stopped once in ten years actually enjoyed the experience and learned few things think I asked them more questions than I answered think they were glad to get off the boat .idk what guys problems are with people doing their jobs mutual respect goes a long way .just keep your shit in order and nobody has a problem .sure it's a little inconvenient but what's ten minutes either way .thanks to all those men women for being out there nice to know someone will answer that call on 16 if we ever have to make it .
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:13 PM
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Does the CG board smaller vessels more than medium to large vessels. From this thread it seems like only smaller leisure boats for the most part are boarded.
The real violations and serious illegal activity should be on bigger boats. Seems like wasted resources to some extent. But I don't boat on salt water.
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Does the CG board smaller vessels more than medium to large vessels. From this thread it seems like only smaller leisure boats for the most part are boarded.
The real violations and serious illegal activity should be on bigger boats. Seems like wasted resources to some extent. But I don't boat on salt water.
The only thing I've noticed is they have a tendency to not stop aft cabins. I think the freeboard and trying to board the boat from an inflatable would be a challenge so they don't try unless they really have a reason to want to. They'll pick an open express cruiser, cc, or sportfish first.
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:12 PM
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Does anyone have a quick “cheat sheet” of obscure regulations that are likely to cause you headaches? I have a feeling that my oil discharge and garbage discharge placards may be missing. Heck, where could I even find such a thing?
boats over 40’ are requires to have a waste management plan. Google it for the details
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This fella has some thick skin to come on here.
It's great that he is here to dismiss some of the rumors and so on.

We all have a story of encounters and I have had Plenty with local LEO and the USCG.

Being held to a higher standard with my merchant mariner credentials I have a huge respect for what they do.

All this attitude and BS will go out the window the first time shit hits the fan for most of you.. You will be real happy to see the orange stripe when your ass is in the water.

If your in compliance with the regulations most encounters are brief and uneventful. No difference than getting pulled over for a roadside DUI check or for not wearing your seat belt. You can challenge that all you want but it ain't gonna get you far.

I have only had one bad encounter from the USCG. They tried to board me in some really bad conditions to check for permits and such while I was on a charter offshore. I informed them that I was refusing a boarding as it would endanger my vessel and passengers. They were trying to come along side in some 40 plus foot steel hull out of Clearwater Florida.

Got a little tense for a moment and I agreed to terminate my trip and allow them to follow me to safe harbor for boarding.

They took my info via VHF and allowed me to carry on. Outside of that for 40 years, I just do my best to let them be their best and don't cop an attitude talking shit about the constitution and so on. It doesn't work in your favor on land any better than it does on the water.

Considering the ratio of LEO to the amount of boaters it amazes me how some say they get stopped all the time. Me thinks if your getting stopped that much you may want to rethink your presentation and actions.

Your damn right that you are being profiled if you choose to do so and there ain't a damn thing you can do about it other than bitch. You show off in the wild among the others your the first one the sharks or lions pick off.

I always laugh at the guy with the speakers going mach one raising hell with the bimbos holding shooters and dancing on the bow going ass wild and he says he gets stopped all the time. Here's your sign dumb ass!
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:25 PM
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Few years back we did an overnighter and caught a ton of fish. End of the second day we stop at a wreck and get our red snapper. Someone caught a grouper and at the time i had no clue what exect grouper it was or if it in season. I tell him throw him in the livewell and when we get into cellphone range you can google it. Cell range was like 11 miles out we were about 27 miles out.
well we all forgot about him in the live well. We come in through the jetties and we get stopped. They come abord and check saftey stuff. Life jackets were under a 200lbs cooler in a compartment. They were ok with that. We had caught so much fish both fish boxes were about 3/4 full of fish on a glacier bay 2665, thats alot of fish.
well they proceede to remove every fish from the fish boxes and i had no issues with it but that is a chore as they are pretty deep. Young guy just jumped in there to get the ones in the back. After 20 mins of him checking my fish i said if you want you can wash your hands in the livewell and here is a towel. He said no and they left. Well my live well has a window on it and the grouper was in plain sight. After driving a few more miles i remembered he was in the livewell, dont remember what kind of grouper he was but he was out of season i think. He got relocated from gulf to bay.

​I have been stopped about 50% of the time if I come thrpugh the jetties up until dark or just a little after. Probably 50 times. Infact they remember me and bs with me now more than anything. They have never said anything about some of my friends on the boat that were a little drunk. And I respect what they do. As far as skid marks from their shoes never had that issue. But I steal feel like in my area they are stopping everyone to check for red snapper, and I aint talking about girls in bikinis.
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
I did plenty of that on my active duty days. I called it a spot check. One last thing to consider, and this stuff takes place at a level WAY over my head, is that congress needs to see results if they are going to fund the Coast Guard. The proof that the Coast Guard is carrying out their statutory law enforcement charge is in the boarding reports.
would that be collecting enough revenue to justify their existence ?.
i say get out and catch the bad guys and stop hassling individuals for misterminial trivial shit just to collect revenue.
marine safety used to be just that , officers would patrol and do checks , give warnings and lectures , hand out literature , etc, .
nowadays everyone is treated like a criminal with the use of checks via computers on board to identify any outstanding warrants etc.
i am not a criminal and never will be , i resent the fact that my day out on the water can be interrupted by some LEO bringing up an outstanding fine from 1980 for a parking violation.." just so as they can get revenue from it to justify and get more funding for more expensive intrusive equipment to have on board their vessels. ..
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