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Old 05-31-2019, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by southtx View Post

sure. I quoted bills statement, should have included you also if you donít think bill just compared cg to nazi Germany. Either way have a good one, Iím going back to sanity and am done with this one.
So you're comfortable with a government agency boarding your vessel for no apparent reason? I'm sorry, but I see it as gubment overstepping their authority. Don't give me the "I have nothing to hide" reply. As American citizens we enjoy a unique perspective..innocent until proven guilty. Freedom of, and from, religion. The RIGHT to live our lives free from fear of excessive government intervention. I do NOT have to prove my innocence. The Coast Guard assumes everyone is guilty of something, and they're gonna find it.
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Old 05-31-2019, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
Geez guys, all he said was if the rational was to let these guys do their tasks "because they were trained well", there's other examples in history where the rationale was used that wasn't a good decision. Doesn't mean the folks are the same, just that the logic is flawed by using an obvious example.
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Old 05-31-2019, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by RIDE2GETHER View Post
So let's put it in plain English then okay. You are ascerting that United States coast guard personnel are Nazis. True or false? Simple question demands a simple answer

Godwin's Law at work...
management. Taking following allowable law/policy in a direction it was never intended to be taken.
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Old 05-31-2019, 06:02 PM
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First of all they are not trained well, they are using you as an unpaid training exercise. Bottom line someone with the means to do it, needs to bring it back to the supreme court. It pure and simple is unconstitutional!

you all see the new coast guard uniforms.... digital camo. WTF? They going to lay in the reeds to make sure im not keeping an illegal fish?
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Old 05-31-2019, 06:18 PM
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Been boarded before and they were very courteous. Only issue I had with it was as they were going through the routine stuff we drifted too close for comfort to the jetty (my boat on the inside). Also when they left they handed me some report they printed off that wasn't even me or my vessel listed on it had some other guys info.
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Old 06-01-2019, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisrack View Post
I like Paul (the OP) but I don't think this is going the way he had hoped.

And I agree with the overall sentiment shared here ...... the USCG and other LEO should leave boaters alone. There's no reason to randomly (or un-randomly) pull boaters over to see their safety gear.
It's still good with me. CG boarding officers need to understand the entire picture.
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Old 06-01-2019, 04:57 AM
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Default A Russ Honore moment needed for USCG

In the 1980's, the Coast Guard, President Reagan, and Congress made a wrong turn and the course set is a bad one.

The Coast Guard itself had little interest in its traditional aid and assistance to mariners role and exploited the Reagan deregulation/privatization mindset.The result was unregulated TowBoat US and SeaTow. The Coast Guard could have supported towing and related services by private contractors under USCG management (even with fee for service) but fought against it.

Instead, the Coast Guard leadership fought for increased law enforcement, military, and combatant vessel funding, missions, and equipment. Since that time, the service has failed miserably at acquisitions and sustainment activities. What it has done, though, is rolled out an over militarized mindset in its people and planners. Instead of small boats with two or three persons conducting assistance and inspection activities, we see a preponderance of boats with large boarding parties. It is just like the LAPD replacing its two officer patrol cars with armored swat vans,

The Coast Guard needs a Russ Honore moment:
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:19 AM
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why do the coast guard go as fast as they can zig zagging playing tag with each others patrol boats in manatee zones but will issue a citation if another boat produces a wake just heading straight to their destination.
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by KeithCapizzi View Post
why do the coast guard go as fast as they can zig zagging playing tag with each others patrol boats in manatee zones but will issue a citation if another boat produces a wake just heading straight to their destination.
It's in the 4th amendment near the bottom I think, "USCG shall operate in zig zag motion, ignoring any posted speed limits or wake restrictions while underway or searching any vessel they want without warrant or probable cause, marking deck boots suggested but not required, tear the gallery apart and do not put everything back after, as the vessel operators should have left everything out in the open anyways. If female to male ratio greater than 1:1, vessel must be stopped."
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by fishbottom View Post
i met a cop and a coast guard guy once who were the nicest people i ever met so it must be fine for them to lie to me and search my boat for no reason.
One thing has nothing to do with the other. There seems to be some confusion about that. Yes, of course it's not right for them to randomly board any vessel and do their inspection, but that has nothing to do with how they did their job and how they treated us. And they never lied to us either.

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they got that power from some law in 1895 to stop pirates. but i never wear a black patch over my eye so why stop me.
Is that really where this all started? That's interesting. Hey, no one hates it more than I do when a cop goes out of his way to single me out for whatever reason without any probable cause, or abuses his authority and has a really bad, hardass, bully attitude when his job is to protect and serve. These guys here were anything but that.

Originally Posted by km1125 View Post
Geez guys, all he said was if the rational was to let these guys do their tasks "because they were trained well", there's other examples in history where the rationale was used that wasn't a good decision. Doesn't mean the folks are the same, just that the logic is flawed by using an obvious example.
When you make an analogy to Nazis, you're essentially saying that there is a connection of some sorts. Perhaps that wasn't the best example to use, but I understood where he was going with it.

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So you're comfortable with a government agency boarding your vessel for no apparent reason? I'm sorry, but I see it as gubment overstepping their authority. Don't give me the "I have nothing to hide" reply. As American citizens we enjoy a unique perspective..innocent until proven guilty. Freedom of, and from, religion. The RIGHT to live our lives free from fear of excessive government intervention. I do NOT have to prove my innocence. The Coast Guard assumes everyone is guilty of something, and they're gonna find it.
Just to be clear, I don't think any of us here are comfortable or would welcome any random boarding by any authorities without probable cause since we care a lot more about our individual rights as citizens and that no one or agency is above the law. That said, had these guys who boarded our boat and carried out their inspections been total jerks or bullies or treated us disrespectfully, it would've been a different story. But that wasn't the case and watching them do their thing, yes, I can say they are very well trained because of the way they carried out the entire boarding and inspection and their attitudes. The broken system that gives them this unlimited authority is a completely separate issue.
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Old 06-01-2019, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Hatem View Post

When you make an analogy to Nazis, you're essentially saying that there is a connection of some sorts. Perhaps that wasn't the best example to use, but I understood where he was going with it.

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Not at all. It's the training analogy which is addressed. Simply saying "well trained" means nothing. Hell, I didn't even say Nazi..someone ASSUMED it.
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Old 06-02-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by billinstuart View Post
Not at all. It's the training analogy which is addressed. Simply saying "well trained" means nothing. Hell, I didn't even say Nazi..someone ASSUMED it.
wow bill, your a real clown, more so than I assumed. Your also a delusional liar.
What do you think others would assume when you write this about the cg:
From whack job bill:
Certain German military personnel in the 1930's-1940's were very well trained.....
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:19 AM
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Just got boarded yesterday, no reason. They were very professional and friendly but I explain to them that I have passed a Safety Inspection (Decal posted on the port side of the console) and anyway they went ahead to check all safety equipment. They stopped me on a 30 MPH part of the ICW although I was just crossing below a bridge so I was going slow. I thought there was a law that you are not supposed to be stopped for a Safety Check once you have the decal, I guess I was wrong. Everything check fine and I went on with my day.
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by wshtb View Post
The point is not about what their intention is. It is about constitution. Take another hypothetical question: what if federal or local police starts doing random home safety inspections? You know, they want to make sure you have carbon monoxide alarms, smoke alarms, working locks, safe drinking waters, etc? Good intention? Yes. Legal? No.
Almost there with residential
certificateof occupancy requirements.
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by davepjr71 View Post
So, they can see your flares, sound device, flotation devices etc with binoculars from a distance? Are they X-ray binos?

Not sure why people can't understand they are trying to make sure you are safe. No different than someone not wearing a seat belt or talking on a cell phone.

I don't understand why you can't see that they certainly shouldn't have authority under the constitution to do any of those things...My personal safety is my business.

My FREEDOM is my governments business, and not sure how we've come to the place where we give up our freedom and liberty in the name of a false sense of safety,
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by davepjr71 View Post
So, they can see your flares, sound device, flotation devices etc with binoculars from a distance? Are they X-ray binos?

Not sure why people can't understand they are trying to make sure you are safe. No different than someone not wearing a seat belt or talking on a cell phone.

I don't understand why you can't see that they certainly shouldn't have authority under the constitution to verify I am in possession of any of those things...even if we are required to have them, since when does the government get to come in to private property to verify compliance??

My personal safety is my business.

My FREEDOM is my governments business, and not sure how we've come to the place where we give up our freedom and liberty in the name of a false sense of safety,
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Old 06-02-2019, 02:28 PM
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and to diverge just a little the supreme court has ruled that police have no duty to protect you.

so they are really just there to serve then.

when we need them we are glad if they show up but if we dont need them they need to stay away.
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Old 06-02-2019, 03:08 PM
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I’ve been safety inspected several times, always in the same spot. Cortez Bridge to Anna Maria Island, FL. Young guys hanging out by the ICW, right behind the CG Station. I’ve never had anything but a positive experience. However, I’ve never been stopped when it’s me an a buddy or two. Always stopped when my 22yo daughter and her friends are on board. Go figure.
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Old 06-02-2019, 03:28 PM
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"Why can't we all just get along " ?
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Old 06-03-2019, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ValPStamas View Post
"Why can't we all just get along " ?
Probably could, if the Supreme Court supported the constitution on this matter.

Illegal search and seizure is 100% against everything that this country was founded on....yet here we are.
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