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Old 02-23-2019, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Brocnizer1 View Post
In the past 12 months I have been boarded 5 times. Shit is getting ridiculous. Three times by the same ass that puffs his chest up likes he's Poseidon himself. Last time I even said "Don't you remember me from the last two times?" He looked for every which way to screw me with a fine and couldn't. If I was doing 60mph, drinking, being stupid, okay I get it. But with a wife, 7 and 8 year old on board just cruising at 35mph, don't give me this bullshit its for safety check only. They are looking for trouble and have an itch to write something up. Feels like Nazi Germany on the water.
The Coast Guard has come on your boat 5 times in the past 12 months? What unit?
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Old 02-23-2019, 05:36 AM
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Proved my point. Too much "authority". Time to add need probable cause to board that must be approved. Listen,I'm all for safety and getting drunks off the water. I'm not the only one getting tied up to for NO REASON at all other than I'm on a boat. It kills a good time as not all LEOs are happy people. My idiot tried to argue with me about how many fire extinguishers I needed. He was on this rant about two. I had to waste time and download stuff on my phone and show him my class of extinguisher is the only required one! Think they would know this before they bother us poor peasants.
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Old 02-23-2019, 05:38 AM
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The Coast Guard has come on your boat 5 times in the past 12 months? What unit?
Cape Horn 32xs. Last weekend 12 miles offshore they stopped us running in. 3 foot seas, long day fishing. Last damn thing I wanted as sun was going down. Let's waste my time and run through an inlet at night.....that's safe.
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Old 02-23-2019, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by waheero71 View Post
I have my boat inspected every year by the Coast Guard Auxiliary, if everything is good they would hand me over the sticker that proves that the boat passed safety inspection. My understanding is that once you have that sticker posted on the boat nobody can board you unless you are engaged in fishing activity or doing something wrong obviously. I think they passed that law a couple of years ago here in FL.
That would only apply to your state or local LEO. The USCG does NOT have to abide by that state rule. They may see the sticker and give you the benefit of the doubt that you're prepared properly because you at least went through the voluntary process to have your vessel checked out, but they can still board for whatever reason if they feel it necessary.

I don't know about FL rules, but that rule also only prevents stopping a boat JUST for a safety check. The state or local LEO can still stop you if they think there's "probably cause" for anything else even if you have the sticker.... for example, you were "weaving" out on the water.
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Old 02-23-2019, 05:45 AM
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It has been 30 years since I was in the Academy. The way it was taught back then may not be the way it is taught today. When it comes to ensuring their safety, each officer will have a different level of comfort. Back when I was boarding boats, the presence of weapons didn't bother me at all in most situations. Some of my peers wanted to remove magazines, empty the chamber and place the gun and ammo in separate places. That's why I said that you and the officer will work it out.
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Our boats aren't equipped to run registration or documentation numbers through our own system. It takes a call back to the station to do that. Even then unless the boat has been boarded before, it won't be in our system at all. We have to go through the state to have state registration numbers run. It takes money to make things like that happen. While it's technologically possible, I guess the folks that establish budgets have decided it's not a priority.
fixing both of these issues are items every coast guard member should be advocating for daily to about 5 level of superiors.

forward this thread to whoever the guys you know above you are. They could all stand to read the entire thing.
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Old 02-23-2019, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Brocnizer1 View Post
Cape Horn 32xs. Last weekend 12 miles offshore they stopped us running in. 3 foot seas, long day fishing. Last damn thing I wanted as sun was going down. Let's waste my time and run through an inlet at night.....that's safe.
They have come on your boat 5 times in the past 12 months? Which unit?
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Old 02-23-2019, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Brocnizer1 View Post
Proved my point. Too much "authority". Time to add need probable cause to board that must be approved. Listen,I'm all for safety and getting drunks off the water. I'm not the only one getting tied up to for NO REASON at all other than I'm on a boat. It kills a good time as not all LEOs are happy people. My idiot tried to argue with me about how many fire extinguishers I needed. He was on this rant about two. I had to waste time and download stuff on my phone and show him my class of extinguisher is the only required one! Think they would know this before they bother us poor peasants.
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
Our boats aren't equipped to run registration or documentation numbers through our own system. It takes a call back to the station to do that. Even then unless the boat has been boarded before, it won't be in our system at all. We have to go through the state to have state registration numbers run. It takes money to make things like that happen. While it's technologically possible, I guess the folks that establish budgets have decided it's not a priority.
once you have hassled innocent people "for routine safety inspections" the information is in your system for ever , just another way the privacy of citizens is being extracted!.
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:24 AM
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No one is more anti big guv'ment and pro individual rights and liberties than me! With that being said, if given the choice between not having the Coasties out there at all (including no bothersome boarding safety inspections), and having them on the water for everything they do, including boarding inspections, fisheries violations, and most especially SAR operations, I will take them on the water all day long and gladly accept the minor inconvenience of the occasional boarding!

The way I look at it, the feds waste untold billions and trillions of dollars, with none accruing to my benefit! The USCG is one agency out of the very, very few where I consider the money is actually being spent on something that might one day benefit me! If you ever have to take an unplanned ride in one of those bright orange choppers after they pluck you from the ocean in the middle of a windy, stormy night, with that young crew of USCG guys risking their very lives to save yours, well...............think about it. The tradeoff, a minor inconvenience versus my life, is worth it.

Every boater should read "The Perfect Storm." The movie doesn't even come close.
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:26 AM
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LOL If you need 1, I tend to have 3...of whatever they want. Generally they look at me, see a ship shape boat with 10 matching rods....and me wearing a LP....they tend to assume I have everything I need.

I tell others that they need to make so many boardings a day. Sometimes your number is just up. I laugh about that. Early in our season say in late April early may there are few boats out here. If you get seen you'll most likely get boarded. Deal with it. If yo get a jerk, just let them be jerks. You can't fix them and they won't be there for too long.

In 2009 I rescued some idiots from an overturned boat in sketchy conditions. The CG and the MP thanked me profusely. For years they even waived at me. Then they all moved on. New recruits...back to normal no big deal

BTW there is nothing funnier than watching them deflate when the see I'm wearing a LP. Sometimes their shoulders even slump! (This guy's got it!!)
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Originally Posted by jeff7y28 View Post
No one is more anti big guv'ment and pro individual rights and liberties than me! With that being said, if given the choice between not having the Coasties out there at all (including no bothersome boarding safety inspections), and having them on the water for everything they do, including boarding inspections, fisheries violations, and most especially SAR operations, I will take them on the water all day long and gladly accept the minor inconvenience of the occasional boarding!

The way I look at it, the feds waste untold billions and trillions of dollars, with none accruing to my benefit! The USCG is one agency out of the very, very few where I consider the money is actually being spent on something that might one day benefit me! If you ever have to take an unplanned ride in one of those bright orange choppers after they pluck you from the ocean in the middle of a windy, stormy night, with that young crew of USCG guys risking their very lives to save yours, well...............think about it.

Every boater should read "The Perfect Storm." The movie doesn't even come close.
but it doesn’t have to be that way. The coast guard can perform their duties, without doing the part that pisses is off. They could (and should), in the upper ranks, decide that what they are doing is BS. The lower level guys could (and should) expend some energy advocating to the upper level guys that these stops are not well received, and that their systems are antiquated. They could make serious attempts at not scratching boats and marking up decks, but no, that would involve consciousness thought. In short they would rather just say, “we are following orders, you must comply,” because it’s easier than doing the right thing. Why they would rather have confrontations with the general public than their superiors and congress is beyond me. I guess being a “yes man” is a prerequisite for the job.
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:06 AM
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Boarding takes all of 10 minutes if you're straight. It helps keep drunks off the waters and may even result in a law breaker going to the pokey. How can you begrudge that?
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:11 AM
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Boarding takes all of 10 minutes if you're straight. It helps keep drunks off the waters and may even result in a law breaker going to the pokey. How can you begrudge that?
common sense is not used by the ones doing/mandating the boarding. They could easily say screw their reports, and do it from 10-15’ away, and accomplish the same thing, with no scuffed decks, no rub marks on the hull, etc. They can do what they are currently doing in a much less obtrusive manner. They say they can’t because of “policy.” Yet I see no effort or even acknowledgement by the OP that they care that the policy is BS, or any advocacy to change them.
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Old 02-23-2019, 08:24 AM
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Being boarded is akin to "just laying there and waiting for it to be over" as far as I'm concerned. I go along with it because I have no choice. Someone with a bigger stick decided long before I was born they owned the water, land, etc. There is no actual freedom and you own nothing. If you behave you are allowed to exist as an economic unit. I don't think the folks boarding my boat get any of this so why bother boring them with it. Just lay there and take it and hope it will be over soon. I am certainly glad they exist though. Some day I may need them out there.
Excellent post and philosophically speaking, nice analogy.

It is not by accident that rescue functions are combined with constitutional abuse in the same agency. That nicely blurs the optics of us frog's in the boiling water.

If you have the time and inclination check out this documentary about Stalin - of what happens when the frogs "just lay there and hope it will be over soon" for too long.


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Being boarded is akin to "just laying there and waiting for it to be over" as far as I'm concerned. I go along with it because I have no choice. Someone with a bigger stick decided long before I was born they owned the water, land, etc. There is no actual freedom and you own nothing. If you behave you are allowed to exist as an economic unit. I don't think the folks boarding my boat get any of this so why bother boring them with it. Just lay there and take it and hope it will be over soon. I am certainly glad they exist though. Some day I may need them out there.
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Old 02-23-2019, 10:21 AM
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Boarding takes all of 10 minutes if you're straight. It helps keep drunks off the waters and may even result in a law breaker going to the pokey. How can you begrudge that?
I would like to see some data on the percentage of Coast Guard "safety inspections" that reveal significant safety violations or outright violations of the law. If the Coast Guard wants to actually enforce the law, Why don't they patrol the Rio Grande River?
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I would like to see some data on the percentage of Coast Guard "safety inspections" that reveal significant safety violations or outright violations of the law. If the Coast Guard wants to actually enforce the law, Why don't they patrol the Rio Grande River?
No need, there's already a DummyTrumpyWall up.....now, how he's going to staff his golf resorts is another matter.
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I would like to see some data on the percentage of Coast Guard "safety inspections" that reveal significant safety violations or outright violations of the law. If the Coast Guard wants to actually enforce the law, Why don't they patrol the Rio Grande River?
yes some actuall metrics might be nice to see on boarding recreational boats. I suspect it won't be favorable for continuing to justify the boardings.
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Old 02-23-2019, 12:23 PM
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USCG Safe Boating D8, thanks for being a consummate professional with an excellent disposition towards those you serve. You're an awesome resource at THT for taking the time to respectfully answer and educate THT members. Thank you!
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Been boarded By USCG a couple times always Courteous Just wish they wore another kind of foot wear what they wear left black marks on My deck
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