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Old 02-18-2019, 06:39 AM
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Happy with my twin Suzuki's not an issue, other option were Yamaha's and glad I went with the Zuke's
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
You think so? I think the negatives of Yamaha *far* outweigh the negatives of Suzuki. In fact the only two negatives I "think about" with respect to Suzuki are:
1) The lower unit shaft seizing in the power head. If that happened to me, I'd be a raging animal.
2) Those pesky Mitsu. sensors that would go bad on 2006 Suzuki 250 motors. I carried spares of them. This issue wasn't horrific. It was annoying, but not terrible. They were easy change on the water and easy to find.

When it comes to Yamaha there are so many issues that precluded me from considering them it wasn't even an option. Worse yet, is the way they handle things. Add to that the fact that they do it while charging MORE than the company with fewer problems. That just doesn't make sense to me. Why would spend more for something that is more apt to give you trouble and might be harder to deal with.

I'm sitting here charting our summer trip to the Bahamas that will likely take us as far as Long Island - and maybe to Crooked if Cam finishes the fuel dock. That's a pretty serious trip, IMHO on a 32EC. My twin Suzuki motors are the very last thing I would worry about on that trip. I trust Suzuki.
Yeah, I'm a Suzuki fan too, I have 2. All I'm saying is that we have a sufficient sample size on THT to quantify this. If we had the tools to capture it.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:55 AM
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I think my current motors are my 6th and 7th Suzuki 4 strokes. This pair only went to the dealer once since I've owned them, threw an O2 sensor code after 300 hours and 5.5 years of use. Dealer replaced with redesigned sensor, no charge. I do my own annual service and have found it to be a painless ownership experience.

While I'm a pretty low-hour boater, I've been very happy with all of them and will repower with them again.
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Old 02-19-2019, 11:53 AM
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Couple things, funny how Honda never seems to make it into many of these threads/ discussions.
I’ve owned half a dozen outboards, a few evinrude,Johnson,tohatsu, and a couple Honda’s. The Honda’s were both bulletproof and far more reliable than anything I’ve owned so far. I no longer own one but if they were not 5k more than a comparable sized Suzuki I would still be running one.
I just hung a new Suzuki on my rig and it has about 3 hours on it so far,so the jury is still out for me but this thread is encouraging.

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Someone mentioned that with the truth and if we were all honest , we might put together some real, reliable data on these engines.
The way I see this is that that is never going to happen. Not as long as any of the information is coming from anyone making a living selling them.
Nobody is going to bash their brand, or be honest in reporting it when something really goes wrong. Just human nature. ( “well, we’ve had many power head failures at about 80 hours and some serious corrosion issues but.......is still the best selling engine on the market today”) says no one.

Also, being an owner almost always prompts a “ mine is better”, biased response.( ford vs Chevy)
best we can hope for in a thread like this is redundancy in reports of common problems and decide for yourself what is real.
you can’t rely on a salesman for the truth about what he is selling.

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Old 02-19-2019, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by magua View Post
Lot of threads with Zukes coming up with - shall we say "issues"
Why you trolling BRUH?
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:18 PM
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Stay in your lane bruv ain't nobody trolling.
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Old 02-19-2019, 05:09 PM
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I have owned more Mercury's (and for a longer period of time) than I have owned Yams. All of them were extremely reliable. The Yam maybe marginally better only because it was a much newer model and it was a four stroke. The Mercury EFI two stroke I owned was just a tad bit fussy during a cold start.

Mercury would be my first choice if and when I buy another outboard motor.

But when it comes to us knowing reliability rates "it ain't gonna happen". All we can do here on THT is to speculate.
Iím kind of surprised at Alloyboy being a Mercury man because he sure knows a lot about yamahas! I have owned 10 boats over 45 years - 4 were bought new, the rest used. My current boat has a Yamaha 225 Ox66 which Iím afraid to get rid of because it has been totally trouble free, two of the boats had Mercury two strokes and the rest had OMC two strokes(not Ficht). The only motors Iíve had trouble with are my two Mercuryís! But I know they sell a whole bunch of Mercuryís and lots of people love them so obviously my small sample is not a fair representation. But it is my experience. My next repower will be Yamaha or Suzuki but Iím well aware that nothing mechanical is perfect!
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Originally Posted by magua View Post
Stay in your lane bruv ain't nobody trolling.

He ainít no troll brotha, this is legit.
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Old 02-19-2019, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by magua View Post
Lot of threads with Zukes coming up with - shall we say "issues"

yes, it is definitely just a coincidence...at least that is what the Tohatsu rep told us to say while we were on the private jet to Vegas for Tohatsu THT Moderator junket last week
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:14 PM
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I am a Zuke Owner, it replaced a Yamaha, that replaced a Yamaha, that replaced a Zuke, that replaced a Zuke, that replaced a Yamaha, that replaced numerous OMC Johnsons.

All I can say is I will never own an OMC Johnson again. The Zukes and Yamahas have been near flawless.

I have run Mercurys but haven't been able to bring myself to own one yet.
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Old 02-19-2019, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OldPete View Post
You think so? I think the negatives of Yamaha *far* outweigh the negatives of Suzuki. In fact the only two negatives I "think about" with respect to Suzuki are:
1) The lower unit shaft seizing in the power head. If that happened to me, I'd be a raging animal.
2) Those pesky Mitsu. sensors that would go bad on 2006 Suzuki 250 motors. I carried spares of them. This issue wasn't horrific. It was annoying, but not terrible. They were easy change on the water and easy to find.
What about all the DF140 corrosion issues? Neighbor's fell victim to pinhole, low hours. Many cases documented on internet. Google it. Never got the press that Yamaha would get b/c in comparison there just aren't enough of them out there.

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Just replaced my pos, corroded 2007 Yamaha F150 with a 2019 Suzuki 200AP. And the 2015ís are running strong. No issues here.
Yeah the F150 has a terrible reputation.

I have nothing against Suzies, but some of you need to get a grip.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:13 PM
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Had a 2005 Suzuki DF250 that blew head gaskets twice before reaching 500 hours. Turns out it the engine blocks were throw away cast blocks and many early DF250ís had this issue. However it is my understanding that it was better by 2007-2008. Other than that issue and the sensor issues others mentioned, that engine ran well and was easy to work on.

Perhaps my favorite engine to date was a 2006 Honda 225. Besides the regular maintenence, that thing was a pleasure to run and work on. You could just tell the engineering was very well thought out. They probably could have used some better metals in some areas, but as far as functionality, and power, efficiency. The only other con I can think of is that parts are not always accessible locally. I typically ordered parts from boats.net in advance or when I needed something. The Honda was awesome. I sold it with over 1600 hours 4 years ago and its still going strong as of my last update with the current owner of that boat.

I also had a 2008 115 Mercury 4 stroke. I did not own this engine long enough to really take an impression from it. But it seemed well built and reliable. I put 145 hours on it and sold that boat pretty quick.

I currently have a pair of 2004 Yamaha F150ís. I have almost 2200 hours on them and they are running great. They are easy to work on and parts are readily available. They do have some corrosion, but Im certain anything this age and use would have corrosion in a saltwater environment.

Like some others have said, I think the majority of the brands are pretty reliable and they all love maintenence. The more you use them and care for them, the better they seem to operate and last.

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