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Old 02-15-2019, 06:48 PM
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After many years of saving and negotiating with my wife, tomorrow is my day! I intend on going to the New England Boat Show and ordering a 2019 Regulator 23. My biggest dilemma is whether or not to go with twins. There is virtually no performance benefit for top speed, cruise, or fuel economy, I do not intend on travelling very far off shore (20 miles, maybe), and MSRP for twins is an additional $8,000. I understand the concern for redundancy, but is mechanical failure really more of a concern than a fuel issue? $8,000 would be a significant increase in option/electronics budget, but I really do not want to regret not getting twins. HELP!
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I'm just an inshore lake fisherman, but if I'm allowed to have an opinion here, I'd say take $1000 and invest it into a sat phone so you can call for help if needed, and spent the other $7k on other options. Outboards are pretty damn reliable.
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I'll never own a boat with twins that runs strong with a single. Too much extra headache.
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For 20 miles on a 23’ boat and an $8k difference - single all the way.

This is from a guy who traded a 24’ single for a 26’ with twins. But my runs are 60 miles one way.
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Originally Posted by burtonboards32 View Post
After many years of saving and negotiating with my wife, tomorrow is my day! I intend on going to the New England Boat Show and ordering a 2019 Regulator 23. My biggest dilemma is whether or not to go with twins. There is virtually no performance benefit for top speed, cruise, or fuel economy, I do not intend on travelling very far off shore (20 miles, maybe), and MSRP for twins is an additional $8,000. I understand the concern for redundancy, but is mechanical failure really more of a concern than a fuel issue? $8,000 would be a significant increase in option/electronics budget, but I really do not want to regret not getting twins. HELP!

SHEEET I saw Kingston and thought RI, I see you’re actually in MA, same advice still applies.

I can’t come up with one operational reason aside from just “wanting” twins, that you’d need to put twins on a 23’ foot CC that you intend to fish in Southern New England Coastal Waters. Given your location, your 20 mile range will primarily be within cell phone or VHF Radio and if by chance, you end up in a radio dead spot, chances are there will be someone to relay.

I fish the Block Island Area 2-4 days a week all season S/E Parker 2520 occasionally further but mostly within 20 miles of the mainland. My engine blew up at the end of last season, it was the one and only time in 12 seasons and hundreds of fishing trips in those waters that I couldn’t make it home on my own.

Seatow was on the spot in under an hour and the service was excellent.

Well equipped boat including protective clothing that will keep you warm waiting for a tow, drinking water and enough ground tackle capable of anchoring in up to 200’-300’ of water, VHF with backup VHF and a cell phone.

Seatow or Tow Boat USA Membership and your good to go with a single engine.

NOTE: I am not knocking twins and if you want them by all means get them but aside from “wanting” them IMO for where you plan on operating and with LOTS of actual experience in the similar waters, I see no reason.

There is one aspect of S/E operating that is sometimes overlooked, everyone focuses in on “HOW FAR” can I go on a single engine not that many people think of “HOW CLOSE” as in loosing an engine close into structure or at a narrow passage. Depending on where this happens and weather, situation could go from normal to a full blown shit show quickly.

I always have an anchor ready to go, that hopefully I can deploy QUICKLY if the need arises to stay off the rocks but no guarantees, like Mike Tyson said so eloquently “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”.

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Single with a kicker is an option
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Last 4 years fishing Long Island south shore up to 20 miles out, my son and I covered roughly 6000 miles, about 750 hours on 2 different single engine CC's. First boat had 750 hours upon purchase and we sold it with 1250 hours on a 2005 Verado, never towed in or broke down. Newer boat was repowered before purchase, bought with 260 hours, 1 season now has 475 hours on it. Never towed in or broke down. Different brand motor but today's stuff is just more reliable than years ago. Before these last 2 boats, ran a Bert 25 with twins and covered everything between Moriches and Jones inlet for 6-7 years and towed in once, had to beach her because of a small 12" holed I put in her. Maintance is your friend and run the crap out of them, they love to be used. Taking shrink wrap off in 2 weeks, hope to splash by St. Pats day.
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Originally Posted by Lookinup76 View Post
25 with twins
Although I appreciate your input, there is a $60,000 difference between the 23 and the 25 similarly equipped to how I have the 23 spec'd. If I am sweating balls over $8,000, do you think an additional $60k is a legitimate option?
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I'll never own another boat over 25ft without twins. That being said, if I was buying that 23 and operated like you intend to do, single with kicker all the way.
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Originally Posted by burtonboards32 View Post
Although I appreciate your input, there is a $60,000 difference between the 23 and the 25 similarly equipped to how I have the 23 spec'd. If I am sweating balls over $8,000, do you think an additional $60k is a legitimate option?
It would be rude of me to assume your financial situation.
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Originally Posted by clockwork View Post
I'll never own another boat over 25ft without twins. That being said, if I was buying that 23 and operated like you intend to do, single with kicker all the way.
Best brand of kicker is ‘Safe Sea” runs like a charm, uses no fuel, takes no room on transom, cost $150/yr.
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Twice the maintenance, Im all about a single engine on that size boat.
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You're talking about a 2019 Regulator and 8K is a factor?

I'm kinda poking at you and I'm kinda not - but why buy the he-man wave crusher of mono hulls - and a damn expensive one at that - to only run out 20? 23 C-Hawk for that duty and keep 60K in your pocket.

Otherwise you're great man for buying a new Regulator, mebbe it will be depreciated into my price range in 15 years or so - take good care of her please

To actually addrrss your question, since it is your money getting spent....buy twins/trips/quads etc when it's appropriate to the hull - a 23' anything will run great with a single 250/300

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Originally Posted by HTJ View Post
You're talking about a 2019 Regulator and 8K is a factor?

I'm kinda poking at you and I'm kinda not - but why buy the he-man wave crusher of mono hulls - and a damn expensive one at that - to only run out 20? 23 C-Hawk for that duty and keep 60K in your pocket.

Otherwise you're great man for buying a new Regulator, mebbe it will be depreciated into my price range in 15 years or so - take good care of her please

To actually addrrss your question, since it is your money getting spent....buy twins/trips/quads etc when it's appropriate to the hull - a 23' anything will run great with a single 250/300
Yes, I am talking about the smallest and cheapest Regulator they make. However, point(s) taken...

From my recent shopping around, the Regulator really wasn't that much more than say a 24 Cobia. Granted, for the price difference I could afford the Cobia with twins, but I would prefer to have the higher quality - subjective opinion, I know - wave crusher. Either way, I have a budget that the Mrs. will hold me to!
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Originally Posted by burtonboards32 View Post
Yes, I am talking about the smallest and cheapest Regulator they make. However, point(s) taken...

From my recent shopping around, the Regulator really wasn't that much more than say a 24 Cobia. Granted, for the price difference I could afford the Cobia with twins, but I would prefer to have the higher quality - subjective opinion, I know - wave crusher. Either way, I have a budget that the Mrs. will hold me to!

Cobia, or any other 2 pc mass produced hull is a Walmart shit box in comparison, congrats to you sir
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Originally Posted by burtonboards32 View Post
...is mechanical failure really more of a concern than a fuel issue?
To begin, I'm envious of your choice. As to your question, I think it's fair to say that fuel issues are an uncommon occurrence. Likewise, and as already mentioned, outboards have become incredibly reliable. Assuming the motor has been regularly maintained the most likely mechanical failure would be a spun prop, which can be addressed with the spare prop kept at the bottom of the console.

Given the locations where many of us fish (Block Island, East of Chatham, Stellwagen, and perhaps south of the Vineyard with a buddy boat) I would have no apprehensions with making repeated trips to those areas with a single 300.

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Originally Posted by Mpellet View Post

I can’t come up with one operational reason aside from just “wanting” twins, that you’d need to put twins on a 23’ foot CC that you intend to fish in Southern New England Coastal Waters. Given your location, your 20 mile range will primarily be within cell phone or VHF Radio and if by chance, you end up in a radio dead spot, chances are there will be someone to relay.
How about pulling prop in 3 foot seas because there is 100 feet of mono fishing line on the shaft?

And second, lower units really have not changed much in many years. I have seen motors with 120 hours come apart. I really do not want that to happen offshore with single engines.
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I run a single on my 23ft Scout out to around 60mi. I have a VHF, BoatUS membership, Garmin inReach, PLB (respectively, in the deployment continuum), the ability to navigate w.out electronics, and the confidence my 2017 F200 is as well-maintained as can be to minimize failures. Take care of your single and enjoy your rig w.confidence.

I could be 'mis-remembering', but I seem to recall last year from a meta-analysis of THT respondents on this subject the vast majority of boaters who had engine problems offshore were with one of their multiple screws. I don't recall any anecdotes of anyone w.a single screw packing up. I'm sure there are some, they just seem to be relatively uncommon compared to one of two or more screws packing up. That observation is not worth anything when my single - or yours - does run out of battery offshore, but for whatever it's worth it gives me more peace of mind.

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