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Old 02-13-2019, 09:16 PM
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Just purchased a home on the intercoastal (SE Florida). I have a 20k# lift at the dock. Looking to purchase a 2017/2018 center console boat. I am an inexperienced boater and will primarily use the boat to take out friends and clients to restaurants & bar hop up and down the waterway, keeping the dry is a plus. I am interested and will be learning to fish via my experienced friends. I found a few boats that could potentially fill my wants/needs. Edgewater Everglades 273 CC & Tidewater 280CC. Another boat I am considering is the Scout 275 LXF. All the salesmen are too biased to their product. I would love to hear some opinions without an agenda.

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Old 02-13-2019, 09:24 PM
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Everglades has a unique construction. It is far superior to the tidewater and scout. Ill think you will see that reflected in the price. Have you ever operated and become proficient with a smaller boat?
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:36 PM
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Tidewater is nowhere near Edgewater or Everglades as far as build quality. Both Edgewater and Everglades are foam filled which give positive level flotation when swamped. Seeing Tidewaters build quality first hand, I would not consider buying one.
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Old 02-13-2019, 09:39 PM
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The EW is the best made out the 3. Probably cost the most. The Scout will be close In price. Its a great looking boat and do it all boat. More bling than the others.

TW isn't in the same league as the other 2. But for the casual boater and occasional fisherman it can do the job. The Q/C and customer service has been suspect at times.

Tons of boats in that size range. Prices and quality vary all over the place.

Whats your budget?
If you haven't operated a twin engine boat its much different than a smaller single engine boat.
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Old 02-14-2019, 02:08 AM
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I currently have an Edgewater, and have owned 2 Tidewaters in the past. Construction wise, the Edgewater is the better boat, but I enjoyed my Tidewaters and won't bad mouth them. The prices are substantially different, and to an appropriate degree reflect the quality. I've also owned a Scout, and found that to be a quality boat. I would also do an online search for "owners forums" for any boat that you are considering. I know Tidewater owners have a forum, as does Edgewater (although lame), don't know if Scout does, easy google lookup.
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Old 02-14-2019, 03:27 AM
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The thread title says Everglades, then he discusses Edgewater. Both are good boats. Edgewater is nicer looking and more in line with what he wants to do.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:28 AM
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Big difference between Tidewater, Edgewater, and Everglades. Edgewater and Everglades are similar inconstruction, with Bob Dougherty being involved in both-the pricing is going to be way different than a Tidewater or Scout.

My Dad just purchased an Everglades 273, great boat.
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My buddy let me borrow his new Tidewater to go Scalloping after my boat burnt down in a shop fire last July.

One of is forward seating cushions blew out on the way home.

Tidewater, politely, told me to pound sand as they could not help nor would they give me the upholstery shop number to contact them directly to get another cushion made.

Mind you that was a current model year boat or st worst a year old and they would have almost certainly had the cushion there or at least made it way easier for me to help me get in contact with the upholstery shop.

The three button switch panel on his hard top also quit working shortly after and they told him they would not replace that either.
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:50 AM
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I seems that it is difficult to get a unbiased opinion from boat owners. If you bought from manufacturer XYZ, it must be a great boat brand, right? If it's not, then I'm not a smart person for buying it? Might be best to ask a "real" marine surveyor's opinion. Somebody who doesn't have a dog in the fight, so to speak.
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:29 AM
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barrell, Thanks for your input. I have minimum experience in boating, my proficiency is lacking. I was originally targeting a 21-25 foot boat, however everyone I spoke with ensured me once I take some courses and get out on the water I will be OK. Thus, eliminating upgrading to a larger boat within 12-18 months. I work from home and will be able to take the boat out several times a week, improving my skills at a fairly quick pace. I would like to incorporate the Helm Master, or Optimus 360 to assist. Thoughts?
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:34 AM
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Sounds like you've already gotten some good advice. Go with Everglades or Scout and leave Tidewater alone. There are a lot of other good brands also like Cobia.
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I erroneously listed Edgewater in my post rather than Everglades. However after your post I will have to go back and review Edgewater and see if it is in the ballpark of what I am looking to purchase. You mentioned that Tidewater is a lesser quality than the Everglades, is it poor quality or just not in the same category as the Everglades? I know the pricing is significantly cheaper, about $25-30K.

Ex. I would consider a Honda Civic over a Honda Accord if I couldn't make the higher payment, as I know they are both reliable.
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Thanks for the input! I agree, the Scout is definitely bling. I thought the TW was as you stated just by comparing the pricing. I will indeed be the casual boater and occasional fisherman. These boats fit my budget, however I will be more than happy spending less (TW) if the boat fits my lifestyle. What about the Sea Hunt Ultra?
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Customer service and support is extremely important to me.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy2112 View Post
Thanks for the input! I agree, the Scout is definitely bling. I thought the TW was as you stated just by comparing the pricing. I will indeed be the casual boater and occasional fisherman. These boats fit my budget, however I will be more than happy spending less (TW) if the boat fits my lifestyle. What about the Sea Hunt Ultra?
i would say the Sea Hunt is on par with the Tidewater. The Everglades is a significant step above. IMO Scouts are just bling, but actual build quality is on par with the Sea Hunt and Tidewater at likely a higher price point. Scout would not be on my list. Have you considered used? Buying a first boat new, if you decide it isnít the perfect model for you in a year or 2, you are taking a huge hit.
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One of is forward seating cushions blew out on the way home.

Tidewater, politely, told me to pound sand as they could not help nor would they give me the upholstery shop number to contact them directly to get another cushion made.
I get that not everyone likes all boats and Tidewater is a fun one to beat up on lately but did you really expect them to send a new cushion because you lost one?

Anyway, yes, I have a Tidewater and it has been perfect for us. What I found when we started looking for a boat was that you have to decide what it is you are going to do MOST and find a boat designed to do that thing. Then decide on a price range. There will be plenty to choose from in a given range and regardless of what us loyal boat owners want to believe, build quality across a given price range is pretty much the same. And as with most things, the more you spend, the more attention to detail you will find.

After intended use and price range we looked at layout. For us the Tidewater was laid out the best by for FOR US. We have gone to a ton of boat shows since and walked on boats of all ranges and still think our layout fits us best. The kicker for us was that for the price we were getting a lot more with the TW, at least at that time. And in our price range, $5k makes a big difference.

Now, if you can spend more but are trying to figure out if it makes sense, I'm not sure if I can help. I didn't have that option. If I were able to fish as much as I wanted and fished in all sorts of conditions, I'd spend it. If I was just using it casually and fishing on great condition days, I probably wouldn't.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy2112 View Post
barrell, Thanks for your input. I have minimum experience in boating, my proficiency is lacking. I was originally targeting a 21-25 foot boat, however everyone I spoke with ensured me once I take some courses and get out on the water I will be OK. Thus, eliminating upgrading to a larger boat within 12-18 months. I work from home and will be able to take the boat out several times a week, improving my skills at a fairly quick pace. I would like to incorporate the Helm Master, or Optimus 360 to assist. Thoughts?
Im not familiar with those helms so wont comment. I have a digital Suzuki and love it. Like most I started with a small boat and worked my way up to my current 24 foot Cobia. Each time you go bigger you have to have more skills as the wind and tide effects a bigger boat more then a small one. You cant go wrong with an Everglades. Ive never owned one but Ive ridden on a friends extensively and they are unique in their construction. I dont think any other company starts with high density foam plugs and builds out from that. Most foam filled boats are foam filled after the glass is all done. That foam is weak and does not bond as well to the glass. Everglades are very expensive but you are getting something special. Here in Fort Pierce the boat building industry thrives. You can do a Cobia factory tour with skip and then within a couple hundred yards tour both Blue water and Pursuit. All quality boats.
I can assure you customer service is excel ant with both Cobia and Everglades. I dont think I have ever read a complaint about Pursuit. A quik search here will bring up some dissatisfied customers with other brands. It a good idea to buy a boat that is manufactured close by as it makes factory warranty so much easier then if you had to ship the boat back to North Carolina or Maine.

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I also recommend you buy a slightly used boat as your first boat, you will inevitably ding and scratch as you learn to dock, I would not get a colored hull since scratches will really show on a painted hull.

As far as Tidewater, my best friend has a Tidewater 198 cc, the boat lists heavily to port while underway, even me at 220 lbs leaning over the starboard side would not budge it. He took it to the dealer where they told him it was most likely a prop issue or engine height, they tried different heights and a different prop which helped a little, then Tidewater wanted him to pay over $300 for the new prop. The dealer actually said it really was not the prop and that he needed trim tabs to correct the issue, he had them install trip tabs at a cost of almost $2000. He now has to deploy the port side trim tab almost fully to level the boat, this is him alone on the boat. I truly believe that this is a defective hull, but Tidewater will not do anything about it. He has reached out to Tidewater and never gets a response. I have advised him that he contact them in writing via certified letter so everything is documented. After doing a little research on here and other forums, it appears that this is a problem with some Tidewater boats but the company refuses to acknowledge the problem.

Please realize that this is not a love to bash TW thing, but when a company blatantly ignores a manufacturing flaw on a boat, potential buyers need to be made aware so they make informed decisions.
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Iím on my second Everglades and would definitely
purchase a third when the time comes. Currently I have the 295. Iím on the intracoastal in Boca Raton if you are nearby and want to take a ride in it.
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Please realize that this is not a love to bash TW thing, but when a company blatantly ignores a manufacturing flaw on a boat, potential buyers need to be made aware so they make informed decisions.


I think they grew really fast and didn't deal well with it. I have heard of some bad customer service issues. I would bet that most boats in that range have issues here and there but being responsive goes a long ways from a public opinion standpoint. And they have to live with the result of not being able to be responsive. But a defective hull is worlds apart from a cushion flying out of a boat. But there are several boats in the price range to choose from as well. We looked fairly seriously at probably 4 different ones. I felt comfortable enough with all of them. Liked some dealerships better than others which was another factor in choosing this boat. In fact, 2 years later and my salesman still stays in touch.

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