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Old 02-12-2019, 09:21 AM
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So I am the owner a nice gamefish 24 and I would like to keep it that way . How long does a nice top wax hold up , any opinions on callinite vs a ceramic pro type wax I see a lot of high end cars being used with that ?i am 100% salt use so after I get back the salt usually dries a mild film on the nice finish I wash and wax finish is gone after a decent running , would like to hear what everyone has had the best luck with price no issue as long as I get my money’s worth
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Originally Posted by jvislawncare View Post
So I am the owner a nice gamefish 24 and I would like to keep it that way . How long does a nice top wax hold up , any opinions on callinite vs a ceramic pro type wax I see a lot of high end cars being used with that ?i am 100% salt use so after I get back the salt usually dries a mild film on the nice finish I wash and wax finish is gone after a decent running , would like to hear what everyone has had the best luck with price no issue as long as I get my money’s worth

Im actually in the process of making a bunch of videos on this topic. In short, I prefer traditional waxes to ceramic coatings on boats. Hopefully, I’ll have those finished shortly. Much easier to explain in a video format.

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Old 02-12-2019, 09:52 AM
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The Starbrite premium wax is hard to beat. They also have a polish wax. Their deck wash is great also.
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Hundreds (if not thousands) of threads on waxing here on THT. It will all come down to your preference and the amount of work you want to do. I use Collinite and Presta products. I'm assuming your boat is relatively new, and the gel coat is in excellent condition. Use the Collinite 920 boat cleaner. Follow up with a coat of #885 Paste Wax. Use the Paste Wax, not the liquid wax, as it is more durable. If you apply the 920 correctly, the 885 will wipe off easily. Generally, if you do this you will get close to 6 months of hull protection. Topside, you will have to do a refresh, unless you keep the boat covered. Collinite Metal Wax is the best around for any chrome, stainless, or aluminum on the boat. If you have some chalked or fading gel coat, then look into using Presta cutting crèmes. They do a fabulous job or rejuvenating gel coat that has minor fading/chalking.

Now, once you have the boat looking good, maintain that wax job. Never use Dawn or any other detergents to wash the boat. I only use Smoove boat soap, as it does not remove your beautiful wax job. If possible, use only water and a soft brush or wash mitt to really protect that wax job. Yes, I know water only seems crazy, but that is the only thing that many professional crews use on the large Sport Fishing boats. However in salt water, most people insist in using a boat soap. If you are going to use soap, use the Smoove. It is the best around. After washing, dry any metal, with a chamois or microfiber towel, as water spots will cause corrosion on your aluminum and chrome pretty quickly.

Finally, the most important thing you can do is cover the boat between uses to protect the gel coat and metal. I had a Ttopcover for my center console, and it looked new when I sold it 8 years later. UV will kill your gel coat, seats, wood accents, etc. The cover will pay for itself many times over with the re-sale you will get for having an almost new boat.

Can't help with ceramic coating, as I've only coated our outriggers. Waiting to see long term results before I go that route for the entire boat.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:27 AM
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x2 on the Collinite #885. Mr Miyagi says "Easy on, Easy off." Stuff is tough as nails.
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It’s. 2009 , yes I have a cover for it , I use the Star britr deck cleaner with pte or what ever it is protectant , I’ll try the collinite or starbright , 6 months would make me a happy camper shoot 3 months is what I am looking for
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location plays a role die to uv damage. Im in SFL, white hull. every 8 month, quick detailer (30min job) every 4
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Me too I am in Naples fl


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location plays a role die to uv damage. Im in SFL, white hull. every 8 month, quick detailer (30min job) every 4
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This is what my detailer used on mine on last detail. Usually he will switch between this and Trewax. In between details which are yearly I use Collonite liquid and Woody Wax on my Powdercoat. I like Meguiars Boat Soap/Wax combo seems to help with the shine also use it on the vehicles. Main thing that helps me is spraying down with Salt Away before starting the wash.

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Hundreds (if not thousands) of threads on waxing here on THT. It will all come down to your preference and the amount of work you want to do. I use Collinite and Presta products. I'm assuming your boat is relatively new, and the gel coat is in excellent condition. Use the Collinite 920 boat cleaner. Follow up with a coat of #885 Paste Wax. Use the Paste Wax, not the liquid wax, as it is more durable. If you apply the 920 correctly, the 885 will wipe off easily. Generally, if you do this you will get close to 6 months of hull protection. Topside, you will have to do a refresh, unless you keep the boat covered. Collinite Metal Wax is the best around for any chrome, stainless, or aluminum on the boat. If you have some chalked or fading gel coat, then look into using Presta cutting crèmes. They do a fabulous job or rejuvenating gel coat that has minor fading/chalking.

Now, once you have the boat looking good, maintain that wax job. Never use Dawn or any other detergents to wash the boat. I only use Smoove boat soap, as it does not remove your beautiful wax job. If possible, use only water and a soft brush or wash mitt to really protect that wax job. Yes, I know water only seems crazy, but that is the only thing that many professional crews use on the large Sport Fishing boats. However in salt water, most people insist in using a boat soap. If you are going to use soap, use the Smoove. It is the best around. After washing, dry any metal, with a chamois or microfiber towel, as water spots will cause corrosion on your aluminum and chrome pretty quickly.

Finally, the most important thing you can do is cover the boat between uses to protect the gel coat and metal. I had a Ttopcover for my center console, and it looked new when I sold it 8 years later. UV will kill your gel coat, seats, wood accents, etc. The cover will pay for itself many times over with the re-sale you will get for having an almost new boat.

Can't help with ceramic coating, as I've only coated our outriggers. Waiting to see long term results before I go that route for the entire boat.
Does smoove have wax in it? I want something to use on my isenglass as well and want to avoid wax.*
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Originally Posted by jvislawncare View Post
So I am the owner a nice gamefish 24 and I would like to keep it that way . How long does a nice top wax hold up , any opinions on callinite vs a ceramic pro type wax I see a lot of high end cars being used with that ?i am 100% salt use so after I get back the salt usually dries a mild film on the nice finish I wash and wax finish is gone after a decent running , would like to hear what everyone has had the best luck with price no issue as long as I get my money’s worth
what are you waxing? gel coat?

id spend some time searching and reading: http://thehulltruth.com/search.php

i have given up on wax, liquid or otherwise, in the sun it gets eaten up pretty quick

after reading some threads i decided to give star brite liquid 'wax' with ptef a try. its not 'wax' but a polymer. it supposedly will last 8-9 months whereas wax lasts 2-3 (or in my case a month). my hope is a coat in april and a coat in october will keep things good. i have been using their non-skid deck cleaner for years.

the new rage is ceramic coating but i am behind the curve and just trying polymer so not going to go too crazy just yet

ps. west marine repackages the star brite product and its a fraction of the cost of the starbrite branded
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The owner of Simonize once told me.............the harder it goes on and comes off, the better the protection.

Waxes that are liquid and come off with no elbow grease will offer little protection.

Many years ago, Powerboat Reports tested waxes, and the Collinite Paste Wax had the best durability.
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Lots of good reviews on Ultima Paint Guard Plus. I plan on giving it a try.
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The owner of Simonize once told me.............the harder it goes on and comes off, the better the protection.

Waxes that are liquid and come off with no elbow grease will offer little protection.

Many years ago, Powerboat Reports tested waxes, and the Collinite Paste Wax had the best durability.

If that quote is true then Turtle Wax is the best wax ever made
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Does smoove have wax in it? I want something to use on my isenglass as well and want to avoid wax.*
No wax in Smoove. In my opinion, wax/wash products are snake oil. I use Smoove on my Strataglass and Costa Clear (EZ2CY). Make sure you dry your enclosure using a silicone blade and microfiber or chamois.
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Autogeek has great info explaining the difference between waxes vs polymers (also referred to as sealants) that is also applicable to the boat wax and marine polish products we all use on our boats- here is an excerpt:

Carnauba protects the leaves of a palm tree from the intense heat and humidity experienced in Brazil. The carnauba car wax repels water and, consequently, most contaminants. When applied to any surface, carnauba retains these characteristics. Therefore, an application of a carnauba-based car wax to your vehicle will protect it from UV rays, heat, moisture, oxidation, and environmental contamination. And it looks like a million bucks!The drawback of carnauba waxes, if you can call it a drawback, is that it does not last as long as a synthetic sealant. A carnauba car wax finish will wear off in approximately 6 to 8 weeks. It depends heavily on the climate in which you live and whether or not your vehicle is garaged. Daily commutes in a hot, humid climate mean a shorter life span for your carnauba wax coat. If you enjoy regular waxing, then the life span of a carnauba wax is just one more reason to indulge in your favorite hobby!






In a nutshell, carnauba car wax is the wax of enthusiasts. It appeals to people who want the absolute most stunning show car shine available and are willing to spend a couple of hours every month or so to get it. Most of them will tell you it is time well spent.
=center=leftPaint Sealants

Paint sealants are kind of the anti-carnauba. They last a lot longer, they are easy to apply, and there’s nothing natural about them. This is surface science at its best.

A paint sealant is made of polymers, which are composed of tens of thousands of synthetic particles that are linked together. When a sealant bonds to your vehicle’s paint, it forms a rigid shell. It is not the warm carnauba that seems to melt into the paint. Paint sealants sit on top of the paint like a transparent chain metal suit. They are glossy and slick, but carnauba lovers will tell you they do not have the warmth and depth of a carnauba. Paint sealants have gotten progressively more popular as time goes on. Some people really love the hard-as-glass look. In an industry that is driven by technology, it seems appropriate that an engineered paint protector is the new favorite among many detailers. However, the real selling point of a paint sealant is the durability. A premium paint sealant can last 4 to 6 months, sometimes longer. Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze, for example, can last up to 12 months. Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant 3.0 lasts the more typical 4 to 6 months. By “last”, I mean that water will continue to bead and the paint will remain protected from UV rays and contamination. For people that spend more time driving than detailing, the paint sealant is the way to go.

Paint sealants are extremely easy to apply. They are always in liquid form and they spread easily by hand or with a polisher. This time-saving feature makes paint sealants an attractive choice for those who like instant gratification, and who doesn’t? As you’ve seen, there are a lot of differences between paint sealants and natural carnauba waxes. Glassy, hard shell or deep, liquid shine? Six months or six weeks? These are the basic questions you have to answer before selecting your paint protection.
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So, wax every 3 months or use a polymer every 8-10 months (longer for boats under cover)
btw, wash & waxes are in no way a substitute for a traditional application of a wax or a polish. Likewise, anything that sprays out of a bottle will have a very short lifespan. These products are great for extending the life of wax or polish but are not a substitute for the real thing.

Do NOT use a polish with a petroleum distillate carrier (the stuff that chaffs off) on clear plastic or decals
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Here's my take on it....I've tried just about every product available over the years, and trust me, there's no "miracle" product. Each time, I kept going back to one, StarBrite Polish with PTEF. I use Collinite on my garage kept cars, but StarBrite for the boat for a couple of reasons:

1. It works, and lasts longer than a true wax
2. It's easy to apply/remove. So easy, I can do it at the sandbar, and its ease of application promotes using it more frequently

I have no interest in the ceramic products. For the price of a single ceramic application on my boat, I could buy not one, but two custom Sunbrella covers that will provide more protection than any applied product, period. My boat is covered to the chines, and I apply StarBrite to the hull twice a year. The boat is a '14, sits on a lift, and still looks like the day I bought it.

With all of that said, more critical than any final product, is the quality of the surface to which it's applied. That's where hard work pays off. Starting off with a mirror finish, achieved through the use of compounds and true polishes (not the be confused with StarBrite polish, which isn't a polish in the detailing sense), is critical to the effectiveness of ANY final product application. Swirl marks accelerate absorption of UV rays, where a mirror finish reflects them. When applied to a properly prepped finish, all final application products work essentially the same, and I'm sure some may last a bit longer than others if subjected to direct sun exposure constantly, but again, there's no miracle product. And yes, some may provide a bit more of a "gloss" or "depth" to the finish, but again, a properly prepped finish has gloss and depth even without a final coat product applied. For me, in the end, it's all about effectiveness and ease of use. From a purely aesthetic and longevity perspective, StarBrite with PTEF has performed equally or better to anything I've used, so the ease of application/removal truly makes it stand out from the competition.

I also hand-dry my hull after every wash to avoid water-spotting. Yeah, it's a pain, and one day I'm going to fall into the drink doing it, but at least my hull is shiny!

By the way, I don't believe the claims of companies that their products can prevent UV damage and fading directly. What does prevent it is a properly prepped surface, along with the additional gloss provided by a final coat product, which creates a highly reflective surface that helps prevent UV rays being absorbed by the surface. A micro-thin layer of something is not itself going to prevent sun damage, with the exception of a wrap.

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No wax in Smoove. In my opinion, wax/wash products are snake oil. I use Smoove on my Strataglass and Costa Clear (EZ2CY). Make sure you dry your enclosure using a silicone blade and microfiber or chamois.
I use Turtle Wax Zip wax car wash to rinse my boat. It is amazing how it takes salt off.,,snake oil or not.
I have heard it will leave spots on Eisenglass though

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I've tried quite a few products over years (I polish the boat every year, then seal it - boat lives in the water) - last year, on a personal recommendation, I tried Nu Finish - with only a few washes during the season, in November, for the first time ever, it was just as shiny as it was in March.
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I use Turtle Wax Zip wax car wash to rinse my boat. It is amazing how it takes salt off.,,snake oil or not.
I have heard it will leave spots on Eisenglass though
Wow that brings back memories. No doubt it takes the salt off, but unfortunately it takes the wax off with it with regular use. Have not used Turtle Wax Zip wax car wash since the 70's on my cars. Then it dawned on me why I had to wax the car so frequently. Says it "gently" removes the grime, but my experience was it also took off the wax on my cars. On my cars I only use Meguiars, Mothers, Griots, Zymol or wash products that specifically say on the label that they do not remove wax. I spend too much time on both my boats and my cars waxing them to apply something that removes my hard work.

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