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Old 02-11-2019, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by motoryacht lover View Post
The older Hatteras might have the naturals you want but will be slow.
I will gladly take a T engine - the turbo does shorten engine life but not to the extent T+A does.

Keep the oil clean and clean air going into the engine and there is no reason a turbo can’t last a very long time (indefinitely) particularly if you get out of the throttle reasonably and shut the engine down correctly, ie: allow the turbo to spool down and run some oil through it for just a few seconds.

Increased crankcase pressure (blow by) is a sure way to make one leak also - return oil has a hard time draining back to the crankcase.


You you guys are coming up with some great feedback and I appreciate it!
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:15 PM
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Great idea. Sportfishers and Convertibles are the biggest bargain in the used boat market. There are lots of good buys out there.
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:15 PM
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A downeast style boat, aka lobster boat hull, would work well. Single engine boats, fuel efficient, and stable while on a drift. A friend has a 35' 1999 Henriques Maine Coaster and gets about 2.5 mpg at 14 knots, but can run 18 knots if he wants to. Twin engine DE hulls usually are very poor when running with the swells at your back, so never buy a twin DE boat.

These hulls have little or no vee in the aft portion of the hull, but use a skeg for directional stability instead. The flat stern makes the boat fuel efficient and stable when not powering.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by c1steve View Post
A downeast style boat, aka lobster boat hull, would work well. Single engine boats, fuel efficient, and stable while on a drift.
i appreciate the thought and have gone through that mindset but really want the redundancy of twins.

Have come back from the Bahamas a few times on one engine - but I came back on my own power.

If i was doing the great loop or only fishing the Keys, one engine would be ok. Off the beaten path, I am not so sure.

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Old 02-11-2019, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JIm Boyd View Post
Where are the knowledgeable experts?
working 12 hour days like all the other blue collar guys that own boats like what you are looking for. I have 3 old Hatteras’s. Two are nice and the other is sitting at a yard in need of full restoration. Anyway I give you some insight on boats this age and in your price range. Your goal is attainable but carries some risk but any boat would. PM me your phone number and I can call on the weekend. Truly swamped at work so not much time to post what info you are looking for.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:59 PM
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I have fished Bertram's and Hatteros in that size range, and larger and both have atvantges and disadvantages. The Bertram's rode great, but rolled pretty badly. The Hatts didn't take the seas quite as well. If money wasn't an issue, I'd go with a Viking. The Oceans I've fished pounded badly in a hard chop. My last sportfish was a 37' Luhrs Express, and was an absolute tank. With 500hp Yanmars, it would cruise all day a 27 knots, and carried enough fuel to run 100 miles offshore, troll all day and chase tuna, and get home with a safe margin. I actually was looking to buy a 40 convertible when I decided to quit fishing Marlin tournaments and get a motorhome and travel. I saw that you prefer non TA engines, but I never had to add a drop of oil or coolant to those Yanmars and we fished it pretty hard and often. As others have said, the price of sportfishers has dropped considerably since the big center console fad started, so you should be able to find a good deal.
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:08 PM
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Be aware that CAT is phasing out a lot of support for the 3208's. You'll no longer be able to get a long or short block from CAT should you have a catastrophic failure.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:20 AM
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We run a 1982 42’ Bertram with 692’s. She cruise 19-20 and burns around 30 gph. She has a roomy cabin, nice bridge, and a decent cockpit. Prices for these are very reasonable, even with recent rebuilds. She’d be a nice cruising boat. We make long weekends cruises and find the boat comfortable.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by JIm Boyd View Post
PS I think most all 90+ boats are gonna be T/A and I am def trying to avoid a snenario where we are trying to generate 50+ HP per engine liter.

I am far far from an expert but I remember this:

3208 NA - expected life can be 20k hours with good maintenance.

Take it to T and it goes to 12k.

Take it to TA and it goes to 8k.

And - these are optimistic figures based on true, high quality maintenance which we know not many boats get.

My point is - we can see what TA does.


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For recreational use, I think your hours are optimistic by about half.

Do not underestimate the time and cost of keeping one of these up. Engine parts for Detroits are readily available and still reasonable (for diesel parts), but it is hard to identify quality parts from the junk, i.e., Detroit reliabuilt injectors are junk. The "marine" parts (J&T/covington) are much more expensive and some parts are hard to come by. A complete in frame rebuild with Detroit parts by a 30 year Detroit guy was 18K each for naturals a couple of years ago. A lot of boat ads claim "rebuilt engines", but they should say "repaired engines". Any brand boat that age is likely to have or develop coring, blister, or fuel tank issues. Unless it is maintained by a serious tinkerer, most of the systems will need maintenance or renewal. Getting insurance on older boats can be a challenge. If you do everything yourself, you really need to plan on 4-6 hours per week to keep one up.

The older Oceans were simply under built have had with failed tabbing, etc.

Hatteras and Bertram are great old boats with the best ride, but you will burn 30% more fuel to push them and they still have the same "old boat problems" as the rest.
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:02 AM
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Have you looked at 38 Oceans. I know i may be slightly biased, but My family owned one for nine years and our use was fairly similar to your plans.
We made annual trips to the grenadines from Trinidad, which is about a 140 nautical mile run every year, where we would spend a week on the hook. the boat used to get about 0.8 mpg at 18 kts. On that trip fuel burnt was around 170-180 gallons out of the 354 gallon capacity, depending on sea state. The boat served us well for that purpose, and we have had her in some bad seas for long crossings and have never experienced the so called "Ocean" issues.
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JIm Boyd View Post
Take it to TA and it goes to 8k.

And - these are grossly over optimistic figures based on true, high quality maintenance which we know not many boats get


OP getting 8K hours out of any recreationally owned/operated marine engine is a pipe dream of the highest order. Inactivity and birth days are very hard on diesels, more so than out boards or IB gassers.

Originally Posted by c1steve View Post
A downeast style boat, aka lobster boat hull, would work well. Single engine boats, fuel efficient, and stable while on a drift. A friend has a 35' 1999 Henriques Maine Coaster and gets about 2.5 mpg at 14 knots, but can run 18 knots if he wants to.
Read the above thru 2 or 3 times - your proposed budget goes a lot further here than with a twin diesel sporty. 80K will buy you a nice 320 Luhrs but 38'ers at this price point will be projects/repower candidates - not how I envision my retirement years.

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Originally Posted by WPBTH View Post
60-80k is hard. There are 20 year old contenders going for that in SFL that need power.
It just kills me to see these 19 year old CC with old 2strokes going for 60K
Like dad used to say there’s a fool born every minute
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:50 AM
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1974/2002 41' Viking

half your budget good engines room to improve where you feel needed?? Saw it the other day
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli View Post

It just kills me to see these 19 year old CC with old 2strokes going for 60K
Like dad used to say there’s a fool born every minute
No chit....I think is a bunch of opportunistic listings out there. Every 15 year old 2 pc shitbox with 1300 hours you come across has an ask higher than it's new cost - and people are buying 'em.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:44 AM
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That Viking in post 33 seems a pretty close candidate. Those Cummins 6CTA's are a fine engine and a nice upgrade.

To the OP, any planing boat is going to have TA engines, except for a few 3208T and 671N. Nothing to fear with an aftercooler, but they do require careful maintenance and care.

I run a 6CTA 450 in a single 38, it has been rock solid for almost 20yrs and 3800hrs. Aftercooler has been off three times for cleaning/service in that period.

I'm in the marine engine business and sought out the 6CTA based on its reputation.

6BTA is good too, but I wanted replaceable liners that the C has.
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RingerSwivels View Post
1974/2002 41' Viking

half your budget good engines room to improve where you feel needed?? Saw it the other day

yessir, I looked closely at this boat, and like
it a lot.

3 issues: first, no bow rails... I am 62 and can swim like a fish but at night or when the boat is rocking and I am putting out the anchor - don’t like that thought.

Second and third - no door or platform, both of which are desired.

I have seen some excellent advice and am grateful.

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Jim,

I sent you a PM
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:51 AM
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I spent a lot of time on a 38’ Bertram and it is a rocker but rides pretty good. I would look at a Viking or post for your price range. You may never find everything you want in a boat in that range so expect to do some customization.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:09 PM
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35 Viking or 36 Hatteras for the small boat incredible deals can be had on 41 hat and 42 post. Don't buy a slip rent one you can always move around and you should really get the bigger boat if you to go places you're gonna need stuff and inflatable an outboard a fuel tank groceries lots of beer etc.
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Originally Posted by ebert View Post
35 Viking or 36 Hatteras for the small boat incredible deals can be had on 41 hat and 42 post. Don't buy a slip rent one you can always move around and you should really get the bigger boat if you to go places you're gonna need stuff and inflatable an outboard a fuel tank groceries lots of beer etc.
i spent weeks at the time in the Bahamas on a 32. We are pretty efficient at packing and stowing.

A 36 would seem big. Have fished and dove on 36 Hatt in the Berry Islands.

A 38 bigger.

A 42 would be giant.

Really want to try to get close to .8 if possible.


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