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Scut 175 Sportfsh vs. Key West 1720 vs. Pioneer 180

Old 02-07-2019, 06:50 PM
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I am getting ready to purchase a new boat. I live in the Florida panhandle and fish often. 90% of the time, I am by myself. When my wife is with me, we are usually diving.

I need a boat with:
1. Shallow draft (I fish the bays a lot)
2. Handles moderate chop (my wife hates any rough water)
3. Is easy to launch and load.

I have had a variety of boats over the years, and I realize they are all a compromise. I have setlled on a Scout 175 Sportfish, a Key West 1720, or a Pioneer 180. The Scout is far and away the most expensive, and the Pioneer is the cheapest. Around here, the smaller boats are very hard to find, as everyone seems to want the larger bay boats. I will have to travel over three hours to get to a dealer that has either the 1720 or the Pioneer. I don't want to fight a larger boat at the docks, so the 17-18 ft. seems to be the best. By the way, my favorite boat that I owned previously was an Aquasport 175 Osprey.

I'm interested in opnions on these boats.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:14 PM
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I can only speak for The Key West 1720 I have had My 2002 1720 since New & it has served Me well I fish/boat Inshore Saltwater in N.E. Florida St Johns River & ICW No issues with draft easy to Trailer load & unload & does reasonably well in choppy waters Normally have 3 people on Board,The 1720 was redesigned to better accommodate 4 stroke power (Mine is 90 Yamaha 2 Stroke) You may want to visit www.keywestboatsforum.com for more info on Key West Boats
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:18 PM
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FWIW The KW 176cc fits more in line with the other two boats you're looking at than the 1720. I'd go with Pioneer or KW for the value, they're both top of the class. Scout is overpriced.
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Originally Posted by surfdwn View Post
I am getting ready to purchase a new boat. I live in the Florida panhandle and fish often. 90% of the time, I am by myself. When my wife is with me, we are usually diving.

I need a boat with:
1. Shallow draft (I fish the bays a lot)
2. Handles moderate chop (my wife hates any rough water)
3. Is easy to launch and load.

I have had a variety of boats over the years, and I realize they are all a compromise. I have setlled on a Scout 175 Sportfish, a Key West 1720, or a Pioneer 180. The Scout is far and away the most expensive, and the Pioneer is the cheapest. Around here, the smaller boats are very hard to find, as everyone seems to want the larger bay boats. I will have to travel over three hours to get to a dealer that has either the 1720 or the Pioneer. I don't want to fight a larger boat at the docks, so the 17-18 ft. seems to be the best. By the way, my favorite boat that I owned previously was an Aquasport 175 Osprey.

I'm interested in opnions on these boats.

I have owned the 1720 Key West (when it had the 90hp 2 stroke) and a 175 Scout. they are both awesome boats. Here are the differences as I see them:

The Key west is an attractive price point with a hull that really retains its value. For example, in 2001 I bought my boat for $14,200 with an aluminum trailer and a bimini top. Three years later I sold it for 11,500. Today, if it was kept in good shape it would be worth 10k. Not bad!! The only limitation I see is that while it is an awesome hull with just about everything right, it was never designed for the weight of the 90hp 4 stroke motors out there. For two people it is an absolute awesome boat. If you are going to use a trolling motor, this boat is the best out of them. All around an incredibly versatile boat

The scout is a great boat as well. It is very light for its size which lends it self to being a fast boat. The fit and finish is excellent. It has a bigger boat feel as it has a deeper V and higher freeboard. With a pair of trim tabs it can handle the chop better than the KW but the larger console will make the deck space feel a little tighter even though it is a bigger boat. I once took the Scout to the Dry Tortugas, spent the night and came back to Key West. The boat never made me feel uncomfortable.

Both can be found in good conditio in the used market if you have the patience. Keep an eye on the size of the motor when picking the KW. If it sags too much on its stern the ride quality wont be the same... A 70hp 4 stroke will be underpowered and leave you wanting.... PM me if you would like to discuss any further.

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Old 02-07-2019, 08:11 PM
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There should be a poll on here for how many people owned a 1720 Key West and how many of those people loved that little boat. Probably not a better I fish alone easy to handle boat anywhere.

The pioneer 180 looks to be a little wider and a little deeper. Iím thinking your first mate would prefer the pioneer .

i owned a 1720 loved her .. I owned. Pioneer 186 Cape Island. Great people at pioneer great product.

Skip the scout when compared to these other two.

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Wifeís sled is a 1720 and I didnít want it but after owning it for over a year, I couldnít think of anything else that would fit the needs that we use the key west for. It fishes 1-3 miles off the beach easy on the TM, it fishes 12Ē of water easy, itís roomy enough, holds plenty of rods, and runs 42 on the pins with 2 people, full fuel, inshore load. Blast of a hot rod boat to drive. It handles other boat wakes like a 20ft cc. Fit and finish works good for us and Iv even though about putting a leaning post in it and get rid of the cooler but the cooler is massive dry tackle storage thatís removable. Itís a great boat and we beat it up. Itís a 2015 and Iv put inline PVC valves in place between the scuppers and it makes it dry without the new model price tag. Open the bilge door and open/close the valves very easy and dry feet!
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Pioneer great build quality hardware and support from pioneer.
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I have a 2019 1720 with a 24v I-pilot, 3 (group 31 AGM) batteries and 2 people, handles great for a 17 ft boat. I opted for the 115 pro xs 4stroke, I can get 48 mph. I do have the leaning post, and of course the gf had to have all the fancy matching cushions, which have been on the boat 1 time. I am used to a bigger boat with more storage, but it's a sweet inshore boat.
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I would be OK with lightly used, but my wife is insisting on new. I have always had used boats and have had enough adventures with thngs leaking, motors misbehaving, and electrical gremlins. I am extremely handy and work on them myself, ncluding motor rebuilds, but her confidence level in older boats is low.

The Scout is the only boat I can get locally, but it is also $8,000 more than the Pioneer and $6,000 more than the Key West. I inspected a Scout the other day and was impressed with the fit and finish,

Anyone know which would ride the best? The first (and last) mate if very sensitive to ride quality.
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I bought my Scout used off of Craigslist. It's exactly what I wanted. It took 6 months for one to show up and I pounced on it when it did. Having owned boats for 30+ years and having been a marine mechanic in my 20s, I did my own survey. The boat was a steal for 4800. The engine had the cold start lever engaged which is what may have initiated its sale but the sellers were elderly and said they didn't use it much anymore. They were the 2nd owners.

Scouts have foam inside the gunnel. They are unsinkable with no wood in keel, stringers or transom. IOW they should last forever. Mine has held up very well. It does have 2 x 3/4" plywood glassed-in in a few deck areas but the laminate is excellent as I saw when replacing the rear seat mount. The ride of the 145 is very dry for its size. The 175 appears to have the same design just larger. The 145 is good to 2.5' chop.

The wiring is simple and straight forward with a PVC tube joining the console and stern bilge area. The wiring from the front fuel tank to the console is laid on top of the gunnel foam. The tank air vent has a circular access hatch installed inboard on the gunnel to access the vent if/when it needs to be replaced. The stainless fittings have held up well. I tightented and sealed them after purchase. The boat fits in my garage so I do prep and can work on it in the A/C without mosquitoes in the hot months. I've added a console rail, SmartTabs, FF/GPS, extra fishing stations, etc.

On the water the low freeboard allows entering from quarter stern using the stainless hand holds. I don't even need a boarding platform. The low freeboard also allows prepping the boat for lauch/recovery from outside the boat at the ramp. I just walk around the outside to do what I need. Transfer stuff from the car, put subs in the cooler, etc.

All loaded the Scout 145, motor, trailer, etc. weighs 1480 lbs and I tow it with my FWD Corolla which has a 1500 lb tow rating. The FWD means never an issue pulling out. I added Red Line trans fluid to the Corolla to resolve jumping between gears when towing.

There is no way I'd ever pay new boat premium pricing. An engine yes, but not the boat. Make, year and models vary so a good inspection of the laminate in necessary to see if its a good build. That's what soaks up the most time and effort during the build. The idea is to avoid 'cheap year' boats where manufacturers skimped on construction to turn a profit.

I've looked at the Scout 175 and I like it. I'd buy it in a heartbeat -but used. I'd tell the wife you'll buy new if she pays half. If you have a 20' garage you might be able to get it in. I usually adjust the trailers for my boats to get good balance, tongue weight etc. and that includes moving the axle if necessary. My Scout was set way back on the trailer when I bought it. Like someone was bad backing up or worried about low tide and needed huge tongue length. I adjusted the axle and post to get a good balance and length.

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I loved both my key west 1720 and scout 180 (little different than the 175). Scout rode better but the key west felt more solid. Both very versatile boats that hold their value well. I fished them both inshore and offshore and couldn't ask for a better all around boat in the 17-18ft class. Both of mine had yamaha 90 2 strokes which i think is the perfect match for these hulls. I had the scupper balls on my key west and never had any water on the deck. The Scout was so wide it floated very high and never had water on the deck either. My key west fit in the garage and the scout didn't, so you may want to check into that and trailer height/console height etc. I liked the hatches better on the scout they seemed to keep water out more. The gelcoat on the key west was far superior than the scouts and held up much better. I really don't think you can go wrong with either one. I would shop price and see what dealers are willing to throw in extra.
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I owned a Pioneer 175 (the predecessor to the 180) and loved that boat. For its size, its a great hull. Even though I was the second owner, I got great support from the factory for a fiberglass issue on the transom 6 years in. I upsized to a Tidewater 210 and very much miss the build quality of my Pioneer, though I don't miss the size.

Regardless of which boat you pick, if you're worried about chop in this size boat, you need trim tabs. They will make the boat ride like its 2-3ft bigger once you learn how to use them (hint, very often).
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KW 1720 is a classic, IMO. I don't think any of your three is a bad choice. Check the KW 176CC too. You can get them with a t-top and trailer in the high 20K range new.
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The Scout 175 is what made the company. Its one of the best riding boats of its size that I've ever rode in. They are great little boats.
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I really like the small scouts and have been on tons of them. They are efficient, spacious, and ride well for the size. They are great boats that made the company. On the other hand, I dislike the larger scouts immensely.
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Personally I like the Pioneer brand.
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:18 PM
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I have a Scout 175 and it's an awesome boat that I fish a ton and spend a lot of sandbar time on with my family of four (2 young kids and wife). Mines a 2000 with a 115 4s, it does let water in the scuppers when a few people sit back there and chum, I hate the pedestal seats they take up too much room on what is already a tight deck, that's about it. Great riding boat for that size class and in that size you get a lot of space you don't get from the others probably why the price difference
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The decision appears to be getting easier. Looking at the quotation sheet from the local Scout dealer. they are wanting $3,200 for dealer prep and shipping. The most anyone else is charging is $1,500 and most are not adding on to the built-in cost of the boat. I feel like they are trying to rip me off.

I talked with another Scout dealer in the general region. His boat was much less expensive, but he told me that he could not sell it to me, since I was in the local dealer's territory. He claimed that Scout will not allow that. I've never heard of doing that, but if that's the way they want to play it, then my other options appear to be much more attractive.
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