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Scut 175 Sportfsh vs. Key West 1720 vs. Pioneer 180

Old 02-09-2019, 08:12 AM
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I need a boat with:
1. Shallow draft (I fish the bays a lot)
2. Handles moderate chop (my wife hates any rough water)
3. Is easy to launch and load.

I have an '07 KW1720 with 2-stroke 90 and love this boat. It meets all the above criteria. We targeted the '07 or newer b/c they were built to handle heavier four strokes and eventually we wanted to move the 2-Stroke 90 to my Bonefisher (after we rebuild it). We did not plan on loving this boat so much. I doubt we will sell now...

Anyway, I recommend buying used vs. new (regardless of wife) b/c it will save you money. There are plenty of great condition used boats out there, just my 2 cents...

I recommend searching for a 2007 or newer KW1720 with a Yammy 2-Stroke 90 or 2017 or newer KW1720 with Yammy F90.

History
2007: Changes made to accommodate heavier 4-Strokes. Splashwell added and weight moved forward.
2017: More changes for heavier four strokes. Floor lifted 2" for drainage. Sides raised 2". Running surface tweaked for more lift at low speeds. Front deck bigger/better. New console design. Etc.
Apparently the 2017 changes keep the deck dry with a few fatties on board and an F115 hanging off the back...

BL: great boat
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Old 02-09-2019, 08:28 AM
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Cant say much against the kw1720 for a boat that size. my only small complaint is the scuppers do let a little water in sometimes. But I usually just keep them plugged so it's not really an issue. It spends most of it's time now on lakes around fl. And sometimes the flats.

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Old 02-09-2019, 11:21 AM
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You are comparing a buick to a chevy to a pontiac - They are all GM vehicles - The KW, Scout, Pioneer, Tidewater, Sportsman and Sea Pro are all built by the same family of boat builders. The Scout 175 is basically the exact same hull as the 176 key west.

The 1720 - AWESOME lil' big boat. I have had 3 in my years. Used to take one from Titusville port out to 8A reef - 14+ miles offshore - come back with fuel to spare and finished in Mosquito lagoon. This boat will do it all. And resale, no matter how old is crazy. I have 2002 Mako 17 in stock right now - they stole the 1720 hull, marked it mako and went to town. With a 115 mercury, trailer, t-top, New GPS for 8,900 it won't last long.

In short - buy the KW - save the money from the other two - not gaining anything but a name and more $ spent.
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Old 02-18-2019, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AverageJoe View Post
You are comparing a buick to a chevy to a pontiac - They are all GM vehicles - The KW, Scout, Pioneer, Tidewater, Sportsman and Sea Pro are all built by the same family of boat builders. The Scout 175 is basically the exact same hull as the 176 key west.

The 1720 - AWESOME lil' big boat. I have had 3 in my years. Used to take one from Titusville port out to 8A reef - 14+ miles offshore - come back with fuel to spare and finished in Mosquito lagoon. This boat will do it all. And resale, no matter how old is crazy. I have 2002 Mako 17 in stock right now - they stole the 1720 hull, marked it mako and went to town. With a 115 mercury, trailer, t-top, New GPS for 8,900 it won't last long.

In short - buy the KW - save the money from the other two - not gaining anything but a name and more $ spent.

KW & Tidewater are owned by the same guy. Scout is his Brother-in-law and Pioneer are their nephews. I promise you the Scout 175 is not the same hull as the KW 176. Never has been and never will be, there's to much pride between the brother-in-laws for that.

Sportsman and Sea Pro are brothers but have no affiliation to the rest of them.

Just because Mako "popped" a 1720 KW does not mean its the same boat. Since Tracker Marine bought Mako, it's gone down hill and will never be the same.

The Pioneer was designed for the weight of a 4-stroke motor unlike the 1720. Don't get me wrong the 1720 is an awesome little boat, but with a 4-stroke your feet are going to get wet unless you plug the scuppers.The Scout has a lot of fluff and widgets but it does not have the "guts" that the KW or Pioneer does.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:46 PM
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I took a brand new Scout 175 out today for a sea trial. Today's condtions were poor ( which is what I wanted), with pretty good chop on the bay. I was not impressed with how the boat handled. I seemed to need trim tabs, as the bow seemed to wander a lot in the chop. The boat seemed to be very ight and was tossed about quite a bit. The captain that took me out recommended the Key West 1720 for what my needs were. He was not affiliated with the sales department,

The boat topped out at 40 mph.
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Old 02-20-2019, 03:03 PM
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As a past Pioneer 197 owner it is an outstanding boat. Great overall quality and a very good riding 19ft boat. IMO I wouldn't recommend the Scout as I've seen the quality of the materials they use and it doesn't compare to the Pioneer. I cannot speak to the KW.
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Old 02-20-2019, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by surfdwn View Post
I took a brand new Scout 175 out today for a sea trial. Today's condtions were poor ( which is what I wanted), with pretty good chop on the bay. I was not impressed with how the boat handled. I seemed to need trim tabs, as the bow seemed to wander a lot in the chop. The boat seemed to be very ight and was tossed about quite a bit. The captain that took me out recommended the Key West 1720 for what my needs were. He was not affiliated with the sales department,

The boat topped out at 40 mph.
It’s a 17ft boat. Of course you’ll want trim tabs in chop on a small boat. Hell I use them all the time in chop with a 21ft CC.

I don’t know those two boats personally, but in that size class you shouldn’t expect a smooth ride on a ‘poor’ day. They just don’t weigh enough but tabs will make a huge difference in keeping the bow down and avoid bouncing off the top of every wave.
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:07 PM
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I have had several boats in this general length, from 16 to 20 ft. This Scout perfomed less favorably than most of the others. I personally would not normally take a boat out in those conditions, but like to audition them in poor conditions, where they can show themselves. Almost all boats do well on a smoothe day.
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:04 PM
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I can’t speak to the KW or Scout, but I had a Pioneer 180 for about 2 years and upgraded to the 202. The 180 was a good boat and I had zero issues with it. I didn’t have them, but tabs would help that boat a lot in chop. For its size it rode well, and was extremely fuel efficient with the F115.

I love the the look of the Scout boats but couldn’t justify the extra cost.

Give Brian at The Boat Shed in Georgetown, SC a call. If their price is right it may be worth the trip to buy a 180. Tell him Charlie sent you...no kick backs, they’re just good people. 843-546-4415

Good luck to ya!
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FloatMyBoat13 View Post
I can’t speak to the KW or Scout, but I had a Pioneer 180 for about 2 years and upgraded to the 202.
I have a 202 and love it. Quality boat and the company was great during my build. My buddy has a 180 and loves it. Pioneer has my vote.
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Old 02-26-2019, 09:25 AM
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I ended up buying a new Key West 1720. I took a Frontier 180 out for a test spin yesterday and loved it. It came with a Yamaha 115. We took it out into some pretty nasty chop, and it handled it superbly. It was very fast (around 50mph) and very dry.

The Key West 1720 I bought also comes with the 115 hp Yamaha. After discussing it with my wife, I decided to go with the slightly smaller boat that I know I can handle solo day in and day out. It was also $1,500 cheaper than the Frontier and came with bimini.

The Frontier felt like a more "bare bones" boat, but it was very impressive on the water. The Scout 175 was disapponting and expensive. I could not find a Pioneer 180 within any decent driving distance to check out in person.
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