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Old 02-06-2019, 07:10 PM
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I have a 2016 24' boat that has somehow backed out nearly all of the screws around the console holding it down. I suspect the t-top, which is bolted to both sides of the console, is torquing the whole console when hitting waves, as the console does not budge at all if you push/lean on it in any direction while stationary, however when you hit a wave you can definitely tell the console is wiggling a bit. The screws look like they have torn out of the fiberglass. I would really like to permanently fix this as I really don't think I should be having this problem with a boat this new and don't want to ever have to deal with it again. Thanks for any help!
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Old 02-06-2019, 08:36 PM
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Why is it not a warranty item? Boat manufacturer?
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Old 02-07-2019, 04:57 AM
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So the console was just screwed in? Oh boy.

You should replace all the screws with bolts, washers, etc if you have access to the underside or if you can create access underneath.

I would definitely talk to the manufacturer of the boat about this.
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Old 02-07-2019, 05:13 AM
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2016 boat should be under warranty, if you are the original owner.

You can get larger screws and a tube or two of 3500 UV. Remove old screws, using wedges to raise the console enough to get the 3500 all the way around the base, install the larger screws embedded in 3500. This will be about your only option using screws unless you can reach under the floor to thru bolt, not likely. The permanent way is, glass it into the floor and I would still use 5200 as a adhesive to the floor prior to glassing.
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Old 02-07-2019, 05:54 AM
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You can use blind anchors to hold the console down without access to the underside of the deck. But please get marine grade anchors, not hardware store stuff. All marine suppliers sell them.
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:23 AM
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Due to the high center of gravity, the tee top exerts tremendous forces on the mounting points. Even worse with a fiberglass hardtop compared to canvas. While mounting to the console looks great at the boat show, having at least the aft legs attached directly to the deck is advisable. After a console ripped completely off a boat at Wellcraft, all tee top legs attached to the deck thereafter.
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:27 AM
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I have a 2016 24' boat that has somehow backed out nearly all of the screws around the console holding it down. I suspect the t-top, which is bolted to both sides of the console, is torquing the whole console when hitting waves, as the console does not budge at all if you push/lean on it in any direction while stationary, however when you hit a wave you can definitely tell the console is wiggling a bit. The screws look like they have torn out of the fiberglass. I would really like to permanently fix this as I really don't think I should be having this problem with a boat this new and don't want to ever have to deal with it again. Thanks for any help!
as others have said, are you under warranty? this is something i'd want the dealer to take care of.
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:36 AM
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What brand and model boat. You ask a question that requires that info as there are many on here that would be familiar witrh that boats construction.
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:56 AM
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Need pics of how its all put together. I have been down this road. Once I got my console secured it caused the t-top to crack.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:01 AM
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Absolutely infuriating that boat manufacturers produce boats with such severe deficiencies. In all likelihood, the console is screwed into the deck without any backing to secure the screws. It's also pretty certain that there is no access to the undersides of the deck to allow correction of the problem. It's terrible that what looks like a gleaming well manufactured boat on the showroom floor develops avoidable problems like the console separating from the deck.

No boat is without some problems, but a deficiency like this, where a console is separating from the deck without a reasonable solution possible because the deck is inaccessible borders on fraud by the manufacturer.

A possible fix: If the undersides of the the deck are truly inaccessible, one possible solution might be to enlargen the screw holes and insert STAINLESS toggle bolts through. Even that requires careful thought and planning. Be certain to caulk well afterwards, but not with 5200.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:04 AM
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The boat is a 2016 Action craft coastal bay. The t top is canvas and attached to the deck in all four corners as well as the console. I am also the second owner and when I asked AC about it they basically told me to 5200 larger screws in. Dont believe there is any backing nut at all. As all the screws seem to have pulled right out and some have wallowed the fiberglass a bit around them. Doesn't seem right. Pretty disappointed.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:21 AM
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If stainless toggle bolts aren't possible or don't work in your situation, you might have to install an inspection plate or even an access hatch to gain access to the undersides of the deck. Screws alone aren't enough to resist the torque of a T-top twisting in the wind while underway. However, cutting into your deck for a plate or a hatch is severe, so you should try to resolve the problem with the first suggestion given first.
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:26 AM
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Is it safe to use stainless toggle bolts through the deck or do I risk causing some serious damage if they also rip through the deck? How many should I use to replace 19 screws?
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:35 AM
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Is it safe to use stainless toggle bolts through the deck or do I risk causing some serious damage if they also rip through the deck? How many should I use to replace 19 screws?
The stainless toggles won't rip through the deck, but you need to know how the deck is constructed. If it is a composite core you'll need to hog or the core surrounding the hole and fill it with thickened epoxy. Then you can drill it out the epoxy puck and install the toggle. If you don't do that you risk crushing the core with the toggle bolt. The same applies with any through bolt fastening method. The toggles require a 1/2" hole to install, you you need to remove quite a bit of core material, probably 1.5' diameter around the hole. I would investigate buy drilling a 1/4" or so hole through the top skin of one of the stripped out screws, see what you've got, and go from there.

If you through bolt and the secure it down with an adhesive sealant it won't go anywhere.
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Originally Posted by BacknBlue View Post
The boat is a 2016 Action craft coastal bay. The t top is canvas and attached to the deck in all four corners as well as the console. I am also the second owner and when I asked AC about it they basically told me to 5200 larger screws in. Dont believe there is any backing nut at all. As all the screws seem to have pulled right out and some have wallowed the fiberglass a bit around them. Doesn't seem right. Pretty disappointed.
What is the warranty? Are you under warranty?

I agree that I would not simply screw in with 5200... and backing nut/plate are probably wise.

Have you come across any other owners of the same model that have experienced a similar issue?

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I would think using nuts and blots with backing plates would be the most secure
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Old 02-07-2019, 07:52 AM
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Now knowing the boat, I would glass it in to the floor. If it has wallowed out the glass around the holes, you will need 1/4” lags to get it snug. Screw that, a little glass and resin for a permanent fix.
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Old 02-07-2019, 09:23 AM
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Backnblue, a screwed down console is not unusual and is not cause for concern. That was the normal way of mounting the console for a very long time. The very first thing you want to check is to see if you have water penetration into the floor and has the floor gotten soft where the screws go into the floor. If the floor is still dry and solid the fix is simple. If it is wet and soft there is more exploring to be done. You need to determine the floor condition before you do anything else.
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Old 02-07-2019, 09:48 AM
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I have the same boat without a ttop. Love this boat. Mine has a 6 to 8 inch access hole dead center in the console due to the fuel tank right there. Not sure if there is enough room to reach an arm through there because the fuel hoses are right there. See if you have this access and try your luck at getting your arm far enough in there. Those ttop legs should be lined up with the stringers. If yours are, try longer and slightly larger diameter stainless screws.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:15 AM
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Am I right in thinking that a lot of hull warranties are only valid for the original owner?
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