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Old 03-17-2019, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by loose_cannon View Post
I grew up with boats in the family and joined the USCG after high school. Spent a little over a year on the deck of a buoy tender (White Sumac) and went on to be quartermaster on a 378 (Munro). I rolled that experience into a 100-Ton Near Coastal. So it found me, not vice versa. For someone who hasn't spent a lifetime on the water and isn't actively seeking it out, I think the big box stores like West are a good source of safety info. Their catalog used to have the "West Advisor" and I always found that information useful. Another avenue would be some YouTube videos specific to particular subjects. The CG Aux also has some really good courses, but since those courses are not mandatory, participation isn't what it could be. I would be remiss in not mentioning this very forum. I've been on here since the beginning and it's amazing the amount of knowledge to be found here. It's the first place I look when I have a question. Paul, I think you have a great idea going here, I commend you.
When were you on the Munro? I was on in '85 and struck QM for a bit before going to QM A school. I then went on to the Redwood in New London.
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Originally Posted by maschked View Post
When were you on the Munro? I was on in '85 and struck QM for a bit before going to QM A school. I then went on to the Redwood in New London.
Hi: Saw your post and like you I was on a big White One (WHEC-726 Midgett). Engineer from 1973-1977. We're now boating (our home-built Tolman 24 Jumbo skiff) out the Columbia River Bar and it's shocking to see the 'kids' on the cutters/small boats. I was once a 'kid' too, about 42-yrs and about 30,000miles ago. Bob
Old 04-07-2019, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by USCG Safe Boating D8 View Post
Just out of curiosity, was the boat that was trolling displaying the fishing day shapes?
"trolling" not "trawling"... no shapes and not RAM.
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Originally Posted by Nicknotsebastian View Post
"trolling" not "trawling"... no shapes and not RAM.
I am not quite sure what you are trying to communicate. The post you quoted was my response to someone saying this about a boat trolling.

"I realize now he felt he was restricted in his ability to maneuver which (incorrectly as I have just learned) made him the stand on vessel."

Rule 3d says this:

(d) The term “vessel engaged in fishing” means any vessel fishing
with nets, lines, trawls or other fishing apparatus which restrict
maneuverability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling
lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict maneuverability.

It does not say that trolling gear cannot restrict your ability maneuver, it says that if it doesn't you won't be considered restricted in your ability to maneuver.

I asked the poster if the vessel trolling was exhibiting day shapes. The reason I asked is that if he was, and he expected to be considered restricted in his ability to maneuver because his gear did restrict him, then the rules burden him to display day shapes.




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if just trollong NOT RAM unless they have a fish on. not a matter of weather they think they are or not. they are not. in the situation the op described they were give way if only trolling. if actually were displaying fishing day shape, would have been incorrectly displayed. if some other RAM or NUC situation and no shapes displayed or signals made or rafio communication made to notify other vessles they are give way.
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Originally Posted by Nicknotsebastian View Post
if just trollong NOT RAM unless they have a fish on. not a matter of weather they think they are or not. they are not. in the situation the op described they were give way if only trolling. if actually were displaying fishing day shape, would have been incorrectly displayed. if some other RAM or NUC situation and no shapes displayed or signals made or rafio communication made to notify other vessles they are give way.
I agree, but I'm not sure that having a fish on would qualify you as a RAM vessel.
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Originally Posted by maschked View Post
I agree, but I'm not sure that having a fish on would qualify you as a RAM vessel.
correct. not necessarily RAM, but then they are fishing and then would be give way to power and sail
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Originally Posted by Nicknotsebastian View Post
if just trollong NOT RAM unless they have a fish on. not a matter of weather they think they are or not. they are not. in the situation the op described they were give way if only trolling. if actually were displaying fishing day shape, would have been incorrectly displayed. if some other RAM or NUC situation and no shapes displayed or signals made or rafio communication made to notify other vessles they are give way.
You and I have read the rules and arrived at a different interpretation, and that's fine. That's what a discussion forum is all about. When I read this: "but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict maneuverability." I don't read that to mean that trolling gear will never restrict a vessel's ability to maneuver. If it did, I think the people that wrote it would have put a period after apparatus and left off the "which do not restrict maneuverability."
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Originally Posted by maschked View Post
When were you on the Munro? I was on in '85 and struck QM for a bit before going to QM A school. I then went on to the Redwood in New London.
I served as a QM3 from '83 to '85. Capt. Linnon was CO.
QM gang was Bill Weber, Mike Dooley, Lisa Leishman and Gary Henderson.
Made two ALPATS and was aboard for the entire KAL007 shootdown incident in the Sea of Japan.
-Jim Lloyd
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Originally Posted by loose_cannon View Post
I served as a QM3 from '83 to '85. Capt. Linnon was CO.
QM gang was Bill Weber, Mike Dooley, Lisa Leishman and Gary Henderson.
Made two ALPATS and was aboard for the entire KAL007 shootdown incident in the Sea of Japan.
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I remember you, and the whole gang! And was there ever a finer captain than John Linnon?
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I remember you, and the whole gang! And was there ever a finer captain than John Linnon?
Capt. Linnon tagged me with my screen name all those years ago. He wasn't being complimentary, but I loved it and would have put it on my name tag if I could have.
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Originally Posted by loose_cannon View Post
Capt. Linnon tagged me with my screen name all those years ago. He wasn't being complimentary, but I loved it and would have put it on my name tag if I could have.
This is good stuff!!!
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Asked elsewhere didn't get any answer,
I was wondering about the USCG weekend navigator course, is it basics that most experienced people know ? or should I invest a full day in this ?
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Asked elsewhere didn't get any answer,
I was wondering about the USCG weekend navigator course, is it basics that most experienced people know ? or should I invest a full day in this ?
It is a two part course that may be taught in one block or in two separate modules. The first part deals almost exclusively with paper charts, plotting and chart symbology. There is some GPS in there. The second part is comprehensive navigation using all available tools. If you don't know how to use a chart to navigate, and you want to learn, the first part is definitely worthwhile. I am glad I learned in the days of paper charts and pre-gps.
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I guess it's worth the 65 bucks. Thanks
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Wow. Paul I am impressed. I wish I had thought of doing this. It's good to see a Coastie on this forum answering the type of questions I spent a great deal of my Coast Guard career answering. Bravo Zulu. If you get a chance check out my web sites http://newboatbuiders.com and Boating Safety. One for boat builders and one for boat owners. Feedback appreciated. Keep up the good work.
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Originally Posted by PeterDE View Post
Wow. Paul I am impressed. I wish I had thought of doing this. It's good to see a Coastie on this forum answering the type of questions I spent a great deal of my Coast Guard career answering. Bravo Zulu. If you get a chance check out my web sites http://newboatbuiders.com and Boating Safety. One for boat builders and one for boat owners. Feedback appreciated. Keep up the good work.
Peter, thank you for the kind words, for your service and for your continued concern for your fellow mariner. I thought your safety summary was pretty spot on. Any time you condense information down to the basics, you will eliminate something that someone else wouldn't. I would add that you should run the blower for a few minutes before starting. I would add an EPIRB to the ditch bag. I would add a paragraph on VHF and enabling the VHF DSC function. That's really it. It's a challenge to reduce information to palatable amounts.
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Thanks. Good suggestions. I'll work on it. You're right about getting it down to basics. The thing a lot of professionals forget is that beginners don't yet speak the language. That's why my second page is just nomenclature. Actually the boatbuilder site consumes most of my time. I need to work on the boating site.
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Peter, your Boating Safety site is outstanding.
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Paul, one of the most challenging problems that boat owners are facing is current leakage into the water which causes the power pedastal GFCI to trip and of course is a safety hazard because of Electrical Shock Hazard. Tracking down the fault can be very difficult. And there are very few good qualified marine electricians to aid in the troubleshooting. Perhaps this topic would warrant its own discussion.

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