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Old 01-28-2019, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sarasota Line X View Post
Bad things happen to even the best of us! I would not for a minute begin to judge the misfortune of someone else. I am glad however that I chose Ameratrail! -https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1599569396819133
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That drone shot at the end is cool! Arthur was my salesman. The owner came in on Saturday to meet me to let me pick up my trailer. They build an awesome product! I would love to have my trailer Line-X'ed black! Do you strap it?
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Old 01-28-2019, 04:39 AM
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Looks like a very inadequately designed trailer IMO. Especially in comparrison to the Myco. I like that the Myco has tie downs for the bow eye as that should help quite a lot, but even those look like they would be better off horizontally through bolted out near the perimeter on the cross beam further back . Also, the bow eye stoutness itself comes into question at some point. Boats this size are WAY out of my league so I’ve never even looked at trailers associated with them, but I’m really suprised that bow tie downs arent required for a rig this size. Perhaps a good lesson for us all to check the potential for this to happen on our own rigs, regardless of size.
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Old 01-28-2019, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by seachicken27 View Post
I agree you get what you pay for, but take a look at basically every owens and sons trailer out there and see if you can find any unhappy owners... They are well-made and almost every one I have seen has bunks that extend past the I-beams. (Disclaimer: the trailer I was referring to with that 24 was a magic tilt (junk))
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My boat and trailer is the 31 Fountain on their gallery, zoom in on the rear of the trailer I had them build the trailer frame extending beyond the bunks for tie-downs.
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Old 01-28-2019, 05:32 AM
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No straps, no banner, no flags, no light...... He is lucky no one was hurt.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:12 AM
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a person that can afford that kind of a boat would probably be ok to sustain a loss like this. More than likely its just an insurance issue.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:21 AM
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It amazes me that people comment, with some certainty, as to what happened/lack of straps etc., on these types of threads with a pic of a boat off a trailer.
Without actually being there no one, cept the folk involved, know what happened.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Sarasota Line X View Post
Bad things happen to even the best of us! I would not for a minute begin to judge the misfortune of someone else. I am glad however that I chose Ameratrail! -https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1599569396819133
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That bow stop would still not stop the boat from sliding foward if you came to a quick stop. I don't use straps myself but after seeing these pics I'm going to start.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Scotsman View Post
It amazes me that people comment, with some certainty, as to what happened/lack of straps etc., on these types of threads with a pic of a boat off a trailer.
Without actually being there no one, cept the folk involved, know what happened.
Well when you have pics after the accident and see no signs of straps then its easy to draw a conclusion.
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Old 01-28-2019, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tripleplay1 View Post
looks like the skids on the bunks are starboard which makes it even slicker.
I bet he has some skids in his shorts now too!
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Old 01-28-2019, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by thesamarai View Post
a person that can afford that kind of a boat would probably be ok to sustain a loss like this. More than likely its just an insurance issue.
Nobody wants this to happen to their boat no matter how expensive or inexpensive. Assuming everyone has insurance on their boat it would hit everyone the same, rich and poor, just the deductible.
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Old 01-28-2019, 07:41 AM
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In nearly all material interfaces, coefficient of static friction (not sliding) is larger than the coefficient of dynamic friction (sliding). Or, the force required to break static friction (start the slide) is more than the force to overcome dynamic friction (continue the slide).

** Edited to fix the last sentence. Said 'less' where it should have said 'more'.

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Old 01-28-2019, 07:55 AM
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I know I’m gonna start doing some bow eye straps running backwards to the i-beams now!
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Old 01-28-2019, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Henry0Hornet View Post
In nearly all material interfaces, coefficient of static friction (not sliding) is larger than the coefficient of dynamic friction (sliding). Or, the force required to break static friction (start the slide) is less than the force to overcome dynamic friction (continue the slide).
And that's exactly why you need transom straps - to keep the boat in contact with the bunks. Otherwise, whenever you hit a bump the coefficient of static friction can go to zero.
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Old 01-28-2019, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by seachicken27 View Post
I know I’m gonna start doing some bow eye straps running backwards to the i-beams now!

Thats what I do. Bow tight to the post w/ safety chain (backwards momentum) then strap through bow eye back to I beam (forward momentum).

Rear goes over the gunnels.
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Scotsman View Post
It amazes me that people comment, with some certainty, as to what happened/lack of straps etc., on these types of threads with a pic of a boat off a trailer.
Without actually being there no one, cept the folk involved, know what happened.

The boat came off the trailer, ... the truck didn't hit a concrete wall, ... The boat is supposed to be strapped to the trailer so it cannot come off the trailer. The load wasn't secured on the trailer, what else do we need?
It makes no difference whether it is a boat, an excavator, a farm tractor, bulldozer, piece of manufacturing machinery or military tank, the load is supposed to be secured.
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Old 01-28-2019, 10:07 AM
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A boat that size, you just can't strap it like you would a 21 ft center console. The traditional strap through the back that runs forward to the eye on the trailer wouldn't have prevented this.

Securing a boat that size is a lot more like securing a bulldozer, which is to say it should be both forward and back.
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Old 01-28-2019, 10:26 AM
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Wow, that is horrible. Hopefully all is ok with the boat.
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Old 01-28-2019, 11:53 AM
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Hello board. I am the lucky guy that was driving the truck towing the 40 Invincible to the Venice Marina ramp to go after Wahoo on Saturday. I want to start off by thanking the town of Venice, LA. Almost every vehicle that drove by for the 2 hours we were dealing with the mess, first asked if everyone was OK, then offered to do anything they could do to help. This goes to show that the majority of the boating and fishing community is always there to help other boaters when an accident occurs.
I want to extend special thanks to Capt. Eddie Van Gordon of Seawind Charters. He was scheduled to go with us on Saturday, but instead he jumped right in with us to get the boat back on the trailer safely. He fished with us the day prior, and worked his ass off to get us on fish. Also, I want to thank Newman Crane Service in Venice. They were right down the road, and promptly brought a crane over and righted the ship. (Pardon the pun). They used utmost care when rigging and lifting, and the boat sustained no addition gelcoat damage through the process.
As for what happened..... There is alot if speculation on this thread, which is understandable. No, I did not have transom straps on the back of the boat. We were traveling a few miles to the boat ramp at less than 30 mph. I did not miss a turn and slam on the brakes. In fact, I never slammed on the brakes whatsoever. This situation is full of "what ifs" "should haves", etc.
I have been in the retail side of the boat business going back 18 years, have hauled boats of all sizes and weights all over the country, have water launched boats up to 60 ft., yada yada. When hauling boats on a highway long distances, I always use multiple straps etc. I admit, that I have hauled boats short diatances ro a boat ramp hundreds of times without a transom strap, relying on the winch strap and bow stop to prevent movement of the boat.
Obviously, Saturday morning after the accident, I wish I had done things differently.
But, my group and I feel truly blessed that no one was injured or killed, and we all know a tailgate can be replaced, and gelcoat damage repaired.
I will have an engineer assess everything to determine how and why. Anything past that is speculation and I personally don't want to go there.
I will say this. In the battle of Invincible 40 Cat VS. 2018 F450. Invincible 40 WINS!!

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Old 01-28-2019, 12:03 PM
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I forgot to sign my previous post

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Old 01-28-2019, 12:11 PM
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Sorry for your misfortune Daron. I have made mistakes before too. Hope you get it repaired quickly.
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