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Old 01-26-2019, 08:55 PM
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Clearly itís being delivered to the new owner. Who will now find the transom separating, caused by the engines hitting the trailer.

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Old 01-26-2019, 09:04 PM
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Wouldn't have happened if a Rav4 was towing
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Old 01-27-2019, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TiaraYOF View Post
Clearly itís being delivered to the new owner. Who will now find the transom separating, caused by the engines hitting the trailer.

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why do you say its clearly being delivered? Quite a few south Louisiana folk drive f350s, and most tow their own boats.
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Old 01-27-2019, 05:08 AM
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Appears to be a winch stand failure and no tie down straps. I had a winch stand failure happen to a customer of one of my 18' Egret flats boats.
Slightly different circumstances though. Trailering up the keys behind his F150 he made a successful panic stop. The big truck towing a 30' Grady white didn't. The impact broke the 175 hp Mercury in half, compressed the 12" ss trim tabs into a 1" accordion, breaking the trailer in three pieces, launching the boat over the top of the pickup with the winch stand still attached, the boat skidded down the highway 50 feet. Aside from a new engine and trailer, we charged $1,200 for some gelcoat gravel rash touch up and a gouge in the bow.
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Old 01-27-2019, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rferrell View Post
Everyone is talking about transom straps. How many of yíall have a trailer longer than the boat to pull it back? Most transom straps pull forward.

A proper bow stop and strap keeps it from going forward.
yes it is very sad it happened and hope no one got hurt,but like rferrell said most trailers I see are really not big enough for the boat length and the transom hangs past the bunks and will hold the back of the boat down when going over bumps but will not keep the boat from moving forward if you had to stop quickly.On these size trailers the only thing keeping the boat from going forward is the front post of the trailer.And as said before most are not braced good enough for that.When you look at a true transport hauler when it is rigged right they have a turn down strap from the bow eye going back toward the rear of the trailer to keep the boat from sliding forward when they stop and the rear strapped down straight down to keep it from coming off because of a big bump in the road or if they got ran off the road not really to keep it from going forward in a hard stop.
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Old 01-27-2019, 07:02 AM
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I cannot determine from the photos entirely, but to my eye it does not look like there is a lot of surface area of bunk touching the boat. My 32 has a lot of bunk touching the boat and it sort of comes forward in a v shape and rides up the side of the hull. Almost like it was designed to keep the boat back and from moving forward like this
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Old 01-27-2019, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MakoMyDay View Post



why do you say its clearly being delivered? Quite a few south Louisiana folk drive f350s, and most tow their own boats.
Itís a joke referencing the Jupiter 43 thread...
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Old 01-27-2019, 08:50 AM
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Im still not convinced that keeps the boat from moving forward. Bouncing up and down maybe but not moving forward. Sure as hell doesnít hurt but Iím just thinking a beefed up bow stop or chain to the bow eyes keeps movement to a minimum.
And what if he took a turn too fast and the force arrow for all that mass started pointing sideways? Irresponsible is irresponsible, whether it's what bit him here or not.

And as another poster pointed out, doesn't have to be transom straps. I had a boat years ago where there were eyes on the sides of the trailer frame, and a strap went up and across the gunnels.

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Old 01-27-2019, 08:53 AM
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*Disclaimer* - I’m not saying this was the cause of the incident, just stating what I saw vs. what was posted about the trailer tongue being broken. The I-beam broke in half on port side of the trailer, not the tongue. Either way, bad day for all involved. Not enough straps and Teflon bunk slides make for a bad combo in a quick-stop situation, no matter the cause.

Sounds like the owner picked the boat up and made a detour to fish in Venice while traveling back with their new boat to Texas. I feel for them. Tough to look at.










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Old 01-27-2019, 08:59 AM
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When spending that kind of coin on a boat.... get a stout over engineered trailer. Ex. Myco , Sport Trail, Ameritrail.
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Old 01-27-2019, 09:15 AM
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I always put a strap over the the top. I was always afraid of this happening. My stern straps would do nothing in a panic stop


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Old 01-27-2019, 09:45 AM
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Hey. 23 headed down to Venice will test any trailer. No doubt it had something to do with the I-beam failure.
the guy May consider removing those slick guides also.
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Old 01-27-2019, 09:50 AM
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Without transom straps, any bumps while making a panic stop will lift the boat off the bunks and make it that much easier for the boat to slide forward. They would certainly help in a situation like this though it may not have been enough.
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Old 01-27-2019, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by davidwademarine View Post
*Disclaimer* - Iím not saying this was the cause of the incident, just stating what I saw vs. what was posted about the trailer tongue being broken. The I-beam broke in half on port side of the trailer, not the tongue. Either way, bad day for all involved. Not enough straps and Teflon bunk slides make for a bad combo in a quick-stop situation, no matter the cause.

Sounds like the owner picked the boat up and made a detour to fish in Venice while traveling back with their new boat to Texas. I feel for them. Tough to look at.









If what you are saying is true, that the I beam failing is what caused this debacle, then Real X Trailers are certainly not the trailer I would want for my boat.
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Old 01-27-2019, 10:34 AM
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I'm always amazed at how much we spend on our boats, but don't view our tailers the same. Rule of thumb in bumper pull is what 10-12% tongue weight, and I assume that boat, fueled, is 20k+. Which I believe is over the limit even for a 450 class V. We run a race team, and have a 53' liftgate, 43' liftgate, and a pair of 40 goosenecks that go with us every weekend, and there is no reason at these weights and sizes to not be gooseneck. I even had ameratrail build my 34 seavee one, with aluminum cabintery so I could transport rods and tackle and access it easily. Hope he gets on the water soon, hate to see this. We need to be policing our own, before something happens, and people want to start changing laws that affect our passion.
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Old 01-27-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Kendall View Post
If what you are saying is true, that the I beam failing is what caused this debacle, then Real X Trailers are certainly not the trailer I would want for my boat.
this......they dont make trailers for Freeman, so maybe this is one of their first for a big cat.
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A little more physics lesson here for better understanding. The force required to get a body at rest to move is a function of friction factor between the surfaces, area of the surface between the body and what it's resting on and force applied perpendicular to the area in question. So, a few things of interest here. First, the trailer straps apply more force down on the boat increasing the amount of force required to get the boat to move. Being usually perpendicular to the bunks, the straps offer very little to no resistance to move by themselves and only work to keep the boat secure to the trailer and increase friction. Second, the boat here has stepped hulls and someone said teflon (or hpde - ?) bunks, which will both reduce the area that friction works to keep the boat in place unless the bunks are also stepped to match the hull and also reduces the friction factor. Also to be understood, once a body starts moving, the dynamic friction factor takes over, which is much less than the static friction factor when at rest.
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Different boat ...
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Originally Posted by Fish Witch View Post
A little more physics lesson here for better understanding. The force required to get a body at rest to move is a function of friction factor between the surfaces, area of the surface between the body and what it's resting on and force applied perpendicular to the area in question. So, a few things of interest here. First, the trailer straps apply more force down on the boat increasing the amount of force required to get the boat to move. Being usually perpendicular to the bunks, the straps offer very little to no resistance to move by themselves and only work to keep the boat secure to the trailer and increase friction. Second, the boat here has stepped hulls and someone said teflon (or hpde - ?) bunks, which will both reduce the area that friction works to keep the boat in place unless the bunks are also stepped to match the hull and also reduces the friction factor. Also to be understood, once a body starts moving, the dynamic friction factor takes over, which is much less than the static friction factor when at rest.
this. A couple of nylon straps wouldnít have done shit here. The trailers for these boats have to be over engineered And obviously this one wasnít up to task. Feel bad for the owner.
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Originally Posted by nmcclure View Post
Different boat ...
umm yeah that bow stop looks like some sort of high school track and field hurdle. Not gonna stop an invincible cat at 45mph!
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