Notices
Like Tree11Likes

Ceramic coating

Old 01-15-2019, 02:09 PM
  #1  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Tarpon Springs
Posts: 4,452
Default Ceramic coating

There have been a few threads on the topic but they don’t really take off. Brand new boat on the way and trying to figure out if the high cost is worth it or not.

Who has had it done? Do you like it? Would you do it again? Worth the money and who did it?

Some seem to love it others not so much. My limited research shows it’s all about the prep and products.

Nick
76 Mako 23 is offline  
Old 01-15-2019, 02:14 PM
  #2  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
THT sponsor
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 4,687
Default

95% of it is prep work, on a new boat, prep work is pretty much done, no brainer in my opinion. This is speaking from experience having a 15 year old boat coated
mstyle8517 is offline  
Old 01-15-2019, 06:11 PM
  #3  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 5
Default

You are correct in that prep work is crucial. Whatever is on the hull when the coat is applied will be sealed in. I had a mobile detailer "prep" my boat and put on a coat of Ceramic Pro Marine. I believe he caused all kinds of swirl marks and halo effects, then coated over them. I hated it so much I paid another detailer to strip the Ceramic Pro, make corrections and put on another ceramic coat. The boat looks great now and the coating does everything it's suppose to. Water beads right off and cleaning is a breeze. I am extremely happy with the results. Even on a new boat corrections may be needed. Baker's Ceramic Coating & Detailing in Jacksonville did the corrections to my boat but also coated a new Chaparral and documented the corrections. Look them up on FB and if you're willing to travel, I can't recommend them enough.
WavetoWave likes this.
scarab45 is offline  
Old 01-15-2019, 07:33 PM
  #4  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
OffshoreApparel.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,331
Default

Delivering a new Yellowfin this week and will be doing Pinnacle Black Diamond on it as soon as I get it. Did the same on the 34. Cost less than 150 bucks for 2 bottles and easy to apply. Prep on a new boat is cake. Wash with heavy duty citrus degreaser, dry, wipe with rubbing alcohol, spray on black diamond and wipe with an applicator. Apply 2-3 coats allowing time to cure in between

What I learned from the 1 go with it is Gelcoat is far more porous than paint so you need to apply more. Key is doing it inside or in the shade and wiping any excess after giving it a few seconds to dry.

Anyone paying 120 bucks a foot for a “pro” installer needs to have their head checked.

.
mmccull5 and evanP220 like this.

Last edited by OffshoreApparel.com; 01-15-2019 at 07:44 PM.
OffshoreApparel.com is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 09:45 AM
  #5  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Tarpon Springs
Posts: 4,452
Default

Originally Posted by OffshoreApparel.com View Post
Delivering a new Yellowfin this week and will be doing Pinnacle Black Diamond on it as soon as I get it. Did the same on the 34. Cost less than 150 bucks for 2 bottles and easy to apply. Prep on a new boat is cake. Wash with heavy duty citrus degreaser, dry, wipe with rubbing alcohol, spray on black diamond and wipe with an applicator. Apply 2-3 coats allowing time to cure in between

What I learned from the 1 go with it is Gelcoat is far more porous than paint so you need to apply more. Key is doing it inside or in the shade and wiping any excess after giving it a few seconds to dry.

Anyone paying 120 bucks a foot for a “pro” installer needs to have their head checked.

.
That’s what I thought. I was quoted 125/foot and that that was down right ridiculous. Another guy was a little less but not by much.

The more I think about it the more I’m leaning towards finding a really good detail guy and make side the boat stays waxed every few months.
76 Mako 23 is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 09:52 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 278
Default

i'd find a good canvas guy and have a cover made
mmccull5 and Flatout71 like this.
kawakx125 is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 12:26 PM
  #7  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
OffshoreApparel.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,331
Default

Originally Posted by 76 Mako 23 View Post


That’s what I thought. I was quoted 125/foot and that that was down right ridiculous. Another guy was a little less but not by much.

The more I think about it the more I’m leaning towards finding a really good detail guy and make side the boat stays waxed every few months.
you did read the rest of my post? Doing it yourself on a new boat couldn’t be easier. Pinnacle is 80 bucks a bottle, I use 2 on a 34 Yellowfin. It’s A cake walk and you would be crazy not to do it now. Pinnacle comes in a spray bottle which makes it easy to apply but you can use any of the others.

.
mmccull5 likes this.
OffshoreApparel.com is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 12:26 PM
  #8  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
OffshoreApparel.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,331
Default

Originally Posted by kawakx125 View Post
i'd find a good canvas guy and have a cover made

That too. But I would also coat it.

Molanabe likes this.
OffshoreApparel.com is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 12:27 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 290
Default

Originally Posted by 76 Mako 23 View Post


Thatís what I thought. I was quoted 125/foot and that that was down right ridiculous. Another guy was a little less but not by much.

The more I think about it the more Iím leaning towards finding a really good detail guy and make side the boat stays waxed every few months.
hopefully that was to coat the hull and top sides, glass and all vinyl? The prep is key and on an older boat that hasnít been painted recently itís an extremely labor intensive process. On a new boat, itís a much different story and shouldnít cost anywhere near that much. Thereís still plenty of prep to do but not the type of correction required on an older one and that SHOULD be reflected in the price.
mark_g is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 12:52 PM
  #10  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Fish'nFool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Anywhere but here...
Posts: 24,341
Default

Local detailer wont apply OptiCoat anymore, says he has found it doesn't hold up on gelcoat. He's a registered dealer/installer too.
Fish'nFool is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 12:57 PM
  #11  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 10,446
Default

Some recent threads (I think 300+ posts between these):
Ceramic Pro / nano coating for boats
Ceramic coatings pro's & con's
ceramic coating
Meguiar's G190526 Hybrid Ceramic Wax
billatstarbrite likes this.
mystery is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 04:06 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location:
Posts: 163
Default

Ceramic coatings are sacrificial wipe on coatings. Ceramic is the new polymer. Better than older chemistry, some are, but still a sacrificial coating to protect a base finish. Don't believe me.......check out the really high end detailers, supplier websites and blogs (Ammo, Rupes, Glasurit, P21, Mguires, Mothers). A few bucks more than a good poly sealant seems reasonable. The Gold Package, nano ceramic, hydrophobic, lifetime warranty application for a four figure price tag.....hmm.
billatstarbrite likes this.
raptor660 is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 04:15 PM
  #13  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Tampa
Posts: 411
Default

Mike, you got a link for where you pick it up at that price? Just use Amazon? Just making sure I get correct sized bottle for the price
steelcityfishanddive is offline  
Old 01-16-2019, 06:39 PM
  #14  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
OffshoreApparel.com's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,331
Default

Originally Posted by steelcityfishanddive View Post
Mike, you got a link for where you pick it up at that price? Just use Amazon? Just making sure I get correct sized bottle for the price
I have the 4 oz bottle which I needed two. Looks like they have a new 8oz for a little less. Get a few of the foam applicator pads and some latex gloves. U can pick up the heavy duty citrus cleaner at lowes and rubbing alcohol at homedepot. Ill be coating our new 36 next week.

https://www.autogeek.net/diamond-surface-coating.html

.
OffshoreApparel.com is offline  
Old 01-17-2019, 03:12 AM
  #15  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: NJ & Key Largo
Posts: 588
Default

Where's that dude with the ceramic business that was posting daily in every possible THT forum section plugging his business?
EdwardB is online now  
Old 01-17-2019, 05:46 AM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: CT
Posts: 290
Default

Originally Posted by OffshoreApparel.com View Post
I have the 4 oz bottle which I needed two. Looks like they have a new 8oz for a little less. Get a few of the foam applicator pads and some latex gloves. U can pick up the heavy duty citrus cleaner at lowes and rubbing alcohol at homedepot. Ill be coating our new 36 next week.

https://www.autogeek.net/diamond-surface-coating.html

.
Itís great that thereís some folks self installing coatings now, itís better for the industry when consumers are realizing the benefits, regardless of who is installing them. They key is that itís done right.
That having been said, It is not suggested to use IPA prior to a coating installation. Youíre going to get better results using a product meant to prep the surface for a coating. I use IGL Precoat since Iím an authorized IGL coatings installer but products like CarPro Eraser or, even better, GTechniq panel wipe are great and can be purchased by the end user. IPA removes contamination & polishing oils but they can be redeposited by the towel during the wipedown. The specialty chemicals include a cleanser that helps to prevent that from occurring. Yes, IPA is cheaper and can work ok but for the small cost, itís worth using the right stuff to ensure the longevity of the coating. Usually when a coating fails, itís because of the prep and often times, ipa wipe-downs are the culprit.
mark_g is offline  
Old 01-17-2019, 05:53 AM
  #17  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
THT sponsor
 
triumphrick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Masaryktown, Fla.
Posts: 16,986
Default

My rig is now twelve years old, and with an every other year buff, it looks damn good. I always get compliments on the finish.

I wouldn't over complicate things..

The first eight years the boat was on a lift with a simple cover...and now is rack stored at a marina and not all that well protected, so might go to once a year...

Last edited by triumphrick; 01-17-2019 at 05:58 AM.
triumphrick is offline  
Old 01-17-2019, 09:44 AM
  #18  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: New York
Posts: 133
Default

Originally Posted by 76 Mako 23 View Post
There have been a few threads on the topic but they don’t really take off. Brand new boat on the way and trying to figure out if the high cost is worth it or not.

Who has had it done? Do you like it? Would you do it again? Worth the money and who did it?

Some seem to love it others not so much. My limited research shows it’s all about the prep and products.

Nick
Not all ceramic coatings are equal. There is a comprehensive overview of the process in this article, including materials used, by a professional. Even on a new boat, you still need to prepare the surface.

https://www.wavetowave.com/home/2018...olor-and-shine

In my opinion, a proper ceramic coating will outlast a wax, and be more durable in respect to scratches and water spots. The cost is very much to do with the labor, so a good preparation and waxing vs a preparation and ceramic coating, are both time consuming, with a small difference in cost.

Before and after, from the article:
Name:  2prtclh.jpg
Views: 462
Size:  133.2 KB

Name:  2e0ixky.jpg
Views: 471
Size:  230.5 KB

Name:  2mfhw1x.jpg
Views: 472
Size:  145.0 KB
WavetoWave is offline  
Old 01-17-2019, 10:33 AM
  #19  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Savannah
Posts: 1,298
Default

I ceramic coated my skiff hull and top side this time last year. The top side has held up great. It's easier to work around the console, under gunnels and hatches, etc... by hand in my opinion. The hull did not last longer than any other sealer I've used, and, for the amount of time it takes to put on by hand, I would prefer to use an orbital with a liquid sealer for the results I've seen so far. The boat is garage kept.

The beading is for sure different. You could honestly use a blower to dry the boat, like you would a vehicle to avoid swirls, to cut down on chamois time. I've noticed this on my wife's car after using a clear coat specific ceramic product - it reduces the time to dry considerably.

Let us know which option you take!
mmccull5 is offline  
Old 01-17-2019, 02:39 PM
  #20  
Admirals Club Admiral's Club Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Tarpon Springs
Posts: 4,452
Default

Originally Posted by mark_g View Post


hopefully that was to coat the hull and top sides, glass and all vinyl? The prep is key and on an older boat that hasnít been painted recently itís an extremely labor intensive process. On a new boat, itís a much different story and shouldnít cost anywhere near that much. Thereís still plenty of prep to do but not the type of correction required on an older one and that SHOULD be reflected in the price.
It was to coat everything including inside the hatches.
76 Mako 23 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread