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76 Mako 23 01-15-2019 02:09 PM

Ceramic coating
 
There have been a few threads on the topic but they don’t really take off. Brand new boat on the way and trying to figure out if the high cost is worth it or not.

Who has had it done? Do you like it? Would you do it again? Worth the money and who did it?

Some seem to love it others not so much. My limited research shows it’s all about the prep and products.

Nick

mstyle8517 01-15-2019 02:14 PM

95% of it is prep work, on a new boat, prep work is pretty much done, no brainer in my opinion. This is speaking from experience having a 15 year old boat coated

scarab45 01-15-2019 06:11 PM

You are correct in that prep work is crucial. Whatever is on the hull when the coat is applied will be sealed in. I had a mobile detailer "prep" my boat and put on a coat of Ceramic Pro Marine. I believe he caused all kinds of swirl marks and halo effects, then coated over them. I hated it so much I paid another detailer to strip the Ceramic Pro, make corrections and put on another ceramic coat. The boat looks great now and the coating does everything it's suppose to. Water beads right off and cleaning is a breeze. I am extremely happy with the results. Even on a new boat corrections may be needed. Baker's Ceramic Coating & Detailing in Jacksonville did the corrections to my boat but also coated a new Chaparral and documented the corrections. Look them up on FB and if you're willing to travel, I can't recommend them enough.

OffshoreApparel.com 01-15-2019 07:33 PM

Delivering a new Yellowfin this week and will be doing Pinnacle Black Diamond on it as soon as I get it. Did the same on the 34. Cost less than 150 bucks for 2 bottles and easy to apply. Prep on a new boat is cake. Wash with heavy duty citrus degreaser, dry, wipe with rubbing alcohol, spray on black diamond and wipe with an applicator. Apply 2-3 coats allowing time to cure in between

What I learned from the 1 go with it is Gelcoat is far more porous than paint so you need to apply more. Key is doing it inside or in the shade and wiping any excess after giving it a few seconds to dry.

Anyone paying 120 bucks a foot for a “pro” installer needs to have their head checked.

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76 Mako 23 01-16-2019 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by OffshoreApparel.com (Post 12152129)
Delivering a new Yellowfin this week and will be doing Pinnacle Black Diamond on it as soon as I get it. Did the same on the 34. Cost less than 150 bucks for 2 bottles and easy to apply. Prep on a new boat is cake. Wash with heavy duty citrus degreaser, dry, wipe with rubbing alcohol, spray on black diamond and wipe with an applicator. Apply 2-3 coats allowing time to cure in between

What I learned from the 1 go with it is Gelcoat is far more porous than paint so you need to apply more. Key is doing it inside or in the shade and wiping any excess after giving it a few seconds to dry.

Anyone paying 120 bucks a foot for a “pro” installer needs to have their head checked.

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That’s what I thought. I was quoted 125/foot and that that was down right ridiculous. Another guy was a little less but not by much.

The more I think about it the more I’m leaning towards finding a really good detail guy and make side the boat stays waxed every few months.

kawakx125 01-16-2019 09:52 AM

i'd find a good canvas guy and have a cover made

OffshoreApparel.com 01-16-2019 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by 76 Mako 23 (Post 12153517)


That’s what I thought. I was quoted 125/foot and that that was down right ridiculous. Another guy was a little less but not by much.

The more I think about it the more I’m leaning towards finding a really good detail guy and make side the boat stays waxed every few months.

you did read the rest of my post? Doing it yourself on a new boat couldn’t be easier. Pinnacle is 80 bucks a bottle, I use 2 on a 34 Yellowfin. It’s A cake walk and you would be crazy not to do it now. Pinnacle comes in a spray bottle which makes it easy to apply but you can use any of the others.

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OffshoreApparel.com 01-16-2019 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by kawakx125 (Post 12153542)
i'd find a good canvas guy and have a cover made


That too. But I would also coat it.


mark_g 01-16-2019 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by 76 Mako 23 (Post 12153517)


Thatís what I thought. I was quoted 125/foot and that that was down right ridiculous. Another guy was a little less but not by much.

The more I think about it the more Iím leaning towards finding a really good detail guy and make side the boat stays waxed every few months.

hopefully that was to coat the hull and top sides, glass and all vinyl? The prep is key and on an older boat that hasnít been painted recently itís an extremely labor intensive process. On a new boat, itís a much different story and shouldnít cost anywhere near that much. Thereís still plenty of prep to do but not the type of correction required on an older one and that SHOULD be reflected in the price.

Fish'nFool 01-16-2019 12:52 PM

Local detailer wont apply OptiCoat anymore, says he has found it doesn't hold up on gelcoat. He's a registered dealer/installer too.

mystery 01-16-2019 12:57 PM

Some recent threads (I think 300+ posts between these):
https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating...ing-boats.html
https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating...o-s-con-s.html
https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating...c-coating.html
https://www.thehulltruth.com/docksid...l#post12134303

raptor660 01-16-2019 04:06 PM

Ceramic coatings are sacrificial wipe on coatings. Ceramic is the new polymer. Better than older chemistry, some are, but still a sacrificial coating to protect a base finish. Don't believe me.......check out the really high end detailers, supplier websites and blogs (Ammo, Rupes, Glasurit, P21, Mguires, Mothers). A few bucks more than a good poly sealant seems reasonable. The Gold Package, nano ceramic, hydrophobic, lifetime warranty application for a four figure price tag.....hmm.

steelcityfishanddive 01-16-2019 04:15 PM

Mike, you got a link for where you pick it up at that price? Just use Amazon? Just making sure I get correct sized bottle for the price

OffshoreApparel.com 01-16-2019 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by steelcityfishanddive (Post 12154674)
Mike, you got a link for where you pick it up at that price? Just use Amazon? Just making sure I get correct sized bottle for the price

I have the 4 oz bottle which I needed two. Looks like they have a new 8oz for a little less. Get a few of the foam applicator pads and some latex gloves. U can pick up the heavy duty citrus cleaner at lowes and rubbing alcohol at homedepot. Ill be coating our new 36 next week.

https://www.autogeek.net/diamond-surface-coating.html

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EdwardB 01-17-2019 03:12 AM

Where's that dude with the ceramic business that was posting daily in every possible THT forum section plugging his business?

mark_g 01-17-2019 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by OffshoreApparel.com (Post 12155116)
I have the 4 oz bottle which I needed two. Looks like they have a new 8oz for a little less. Get a few of the foam applicator pads and some latex gloves. U can pick up the heavy duty citrus cleaner at lowes and rubbing alcohol at homedepot. Ill be coating our new 36 next week.

https://www.autogeek.net/diamond-surface-coating.html

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Itís great that thereís some folks self installing coatings now, itís better for the industry when consumers are realizing the benefits, regardless of who is installing them. They key is that itís done right.
That having been said, It is not suggested to use IPA prior to a coating installation. Youíre going to get better results using a product meant to prep the surface for a coating. I use IGL Precoat since Iím an authorized IGL coatings installer but products like CarPro Eraser or, even better, GTechniq panel wipe are great and can be purchased by the end user. IPA removes contamination & polishing oils but they can be redeposited by the towel during the wipedown. The specialty chemicals include a cleanser that helps to prevent that from occurring. Yes, IPA is cheaper and can work ok but for the small cost, itís worth using the right stuff to ensure the longevity of the coating. Usually when a coating fails, itís because of the prep and often times, ipa wipe-downs are the culprit.

triumphrick 01-17-2019 05:53 AM

My rig is now twelve years old, and with an every other year buff, it looks damn good. I always get compliments on the finish.

I wouldn't over complicate things..

The first eight years the boat was on a lift with a simple cover...and now is rack stored at a marina and not all that well protected, so might go to once a year...

WavetoWave 01-17-2019 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 76 Mako 23 (Post 12151160)
There have been a few threads on the topic but they don’t really take off. Brand new boat on the way and trying to figure out if the high cost is worth it or not.

Who has had it done? Do you like it? Would you do it again? Worth the money and who did it?

Some seem to love it others not so much. My limited research shows it’s all about the prep and products.

Nick

Not all ceramic coatings are equal. There is a comprehensive overview of the process in this article, including materials used, by a professional. Even on a new boat, you still need to prepare the surface.

https://www.wavetowave.com/home/2018...olor-and-shine

In my opinion, a proper ceramic coating will outlast a wax, and be more durable in respect to scratches and water spots. The cost is very much to do with the labor, so a good preparation and waxing vs a preparation and ceramic coating, are both time consuming, with a small difference in cost.

Before and after, from the article:
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mmccull5 01-17-2019 10:33 AM

I ceramic coated my skiff hull and top side this time last year. The top side has held up great. It's easier to work around the console, under gunnels and hatches, etc... by hand in my opinion. The hull did not last longer than any other sealer I've used, and, for the amount of time it takes to put on by hand, I would prefer to use an orbital with a liquid sealer for the results I've seen so far. The boat is garage kept.

The beading is for sure different. You could honestly use a blower to dry the boat, like you would a vehicle to avoid swirls, to cut down on chamois time. I've noticed this on my wife's car after using a clear coat specific ceramic product - it reduces the time to dry considerably.

Let us know which option you take!

76 Mako 23 01-17-2019 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by mark_g (Post 12154061)


hopefully that was to coat the hull and top sides, glass and all vinyl? The prep is key and on an older boat that hasnít been painted recently itís an extremely labor intensive process. On a new boat, itís a much different story and shouldnít cost anywhere near that much. Thereís still plenty of prep to do but not the type of correction required on an older one and that SHOULD be reflected in the price.

It was to coat everything including inside the hatches.


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