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Old 01-11-2019, 07:38 PM
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Put down deposit with local Merc/Whaler dealer at end of July for winter repower with 225 from new line of 4-stroke engines introduced a year ago. New engine virtually same weight as 1995 Evinrude Ocean Pro 2-stroke on 22-foot Grady of same vintage. That breakthrough, along with new design, increased efficiency, even less noise, etc., rank as big enticements, especially on older boat, where engine weight remains a primary concern. All sounded encouraging, despite hefty price tag.

Salesman called today to say Mercury originally had projected March delivery — perfect timing with boat out of water from December until May here in Mid-Atlantic. Mercury now saying August delivery. Probably worth wait. I can just pull boat for a week or so in summer.

Typical backlog these days? Reflective of engine demand and backlogs I've read about?



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Old 01-11-2019, 07:40 PM
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yes its been discussed if you search you will find a thread where one dealer told a customer there was a long wait but another dealer had an engine in stock ready to go so worth checking inventory elsewhere. david wade marine will probably comment with more deets
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Over a year wait seems excessive. I know a lot of the new mercs are running 22-28 weeks out.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:38 PM
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Boat sales are up 4% according to NMMA. High demand for the new Mercury's. I suspect the Brunswick boat companies are going to get all they need before a repower motor gets shipped to a dealer.

Selling boats is the name of the game. Selling motors, particularly repowers, is an afterthought.
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I agree with that. There is a whole lot more profit in a boat, motor and trailer package than a box motor.
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We put a lot of orders in for V6s in February and V8s in April and have received only a handful of each. It doesn’t sound like things are going to get any better for a while, but hang in there. The info we heard is they are having some serious parts (not produced by Mercury) supply issues from their vendors on top of an unprecedented demand for the new products. I know they’re doing everything they can to keep up with the demand and keep customers/dealers happy. No one saw this coming or I can promise they would’ve been prepared. It has just all snowballed.




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Originally Posted by davidwademarine View Post
We put a lot of orders in for V6s in February and V8s in April and have received only a handful of each. It doesn’t sound like things are going to get any better for a while, but hang in there. The info we heard is they are having some serious parts (not produced by Mercury) supply issues from their vendors on top of an unprecedented demand for the new products. I know they’re doing everything they can to keep up with the demand and keep customers/dealers happy. No one saw this coming or I can promise they would’ve been prepared. It has just all snowballed.


Mercury didn't follow the 7 P's of business. Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance
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I wonder if the die casting process for the engine blocks which results in the weight reduction is a production bottle neck.
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Originally Posted by Whaler27 View Post
I wonder if the die casting process for the engine blocks which results in the weight reduction is a production bottle neck.
I’ll quote myself since you failed to read my original response. Pay close attention to the bolded words.

they are having some serious parts (not produced by Mercury) supply issues from their vendors
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Originally Posted by davidwademarine View Post


I’ll quote myself since you failed to read my original response.

I read it. But it doesn't change anything. I still wonder whether the die casting process has the same yield rate as the prior casting process. That is the significant change in their production of the new outboards versus the old and with the old they didn't seem to have a supply problem.
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I must be very lucky. I walked into Eden Marine, Stuart, Florida on June 27, 2018, made a deal on a 4s 200hp V6. Greg Enden called a used engine buyer. The engine buyer bought my 150HPDI on the spot after a test run. The time spent at Eden Marine that day was less than two hours. The used engine guy removed the engine two days later. Four days later Greg had the new installed and I was my way. I stopped by Eden Marine last week and Greg had engines in crates and and was busy installing engines. Greg made my repower easy. No problems, love the engine.
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Originally Posted by davidwademarine View Post
I’ll quote myself since you failed to read my original response. Pay close attention to the bolded words.
If not in a graph/curve form it is hard for some to comprehend.

Many have no concept of the words "supply chain".

They seem to think that Mercury can turn a dial on the wall and the rate of manufactured motors will automatically increase.
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Originally Posted by Whaler27 View Post
I wonder if the die casting process for the engine blocks which results in the weight reduction is a production bottle neck.
I have heard that Mercury is second to none in quality with their casting process. What say ye?
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Kind of interesting that Mercury can't supply motors and it's the fault of two presidents and various other companies, plus high demand, yet not long ago Yamaha couldnt supply engines and it was bad management and a poor product.
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Kind of interesting that Mercury can't supply motors and it's the fault of two presidents and various other companies, plus high demand, yet not long ago Yamaha couldnt supply engines and it was bad management and a poor product.
Yamaha’s decisions that forced them to become unable to enough engines forced many dealers and boat builders to go with what they viewed as the next best option. That placed unprecedented demand on Mercury products, which they never could’ve forecasted and been prepared for.

alloyboy: You and I both should know how simple it is to just pick up the phone and get a new supplier for highly specialized products. Tooling, hiring, training and completely new production can all take place with the flip of a switch. I guess we’re idiots.
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Originally Posted by davidwademarine View Post


Yamaha’s decisions that forced them to become unable to enough engines forced many dealers and boat builders to go with what they viewed as the next best option. That placed unprecedented demand on Mercury products, which they never could’ve forecasted and been prepared for.

alloyboy: You and I both should know how simple it is to just pick up the phone and get a new supplier for highly specialized products. Tooling, hiring, training and completely new production can all take place with the flip of a switch. I guess we’re idiots.
Don't forget testing and redesign as needed.

Oh wait. Never mind. Yamaha does not do testing. They let the customer figure problems out in the field. Then they refuse to fix those problems.

At least that is what I read here on THT.
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I ordered 200 v6 in September with a predicted April delivery. I have not received a phone call yet about a delay. I am waiting, it's the best 200 out there now.
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Originally Posted by davidwademarine View Post


Yamaha’s decisions that forced them to become unable to enough engines forced many dealers and boat builders to go with what they viewed as the next best option. That placed unprecedented demand on Mercury products, which they never could’ve forecasted and been prepared for.
wait....what???
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Originally Posted by davidwademarine View Post


Yamaha’s decisions that forced them to become unable to enough engines forced many dealers and boat builders to go with what they viewed as the next best option. That placed unprecedented demand on Mercury products, which they never could’ve forecasted and been prepared for.

alloyboy: You and I both should know how simple it is to just pick up the phone and get a new supplier for highly specialized products. Tooling, hiring, training and completely new production can all take place with the flip of a switch. I guess we’re idiots.
Seriously?
Enough is enough.
This thread is about why Mercury can't supply the engines, do you have insight on that?
It's not about Yamaha's shortage of which, well, let's just say you are going in the wrong direction.
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