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Old 01-11-2019, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWesson View Post
Yeah but hardly make it across the bay much less offshore. Cool boat though but you're in the wrong thread.

Seems like she wouldn't run that much faster with that 200 by hull design.. What's she running?
Thanks, you are right I'm sure. I've never taken it in saltwater. I hear some folks do, but I doubt they challenge any high seas. I wasn't really sure if OP was looking for something that could handle that (probably is, right?) She only runs in the 50s. Slow hull. But I hit stuff and keep going, which is nice here.

We do 50+ in a couple of feet of water pretty routinely. When I had an outboard jet I did 35 in 6 inches of water several times. Worked great until something knocked you off plane. No one was harmed.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 240 LTS View Post
Not sure i'd want that boat for the keys... Cool though.

I recommended the Paramount 21 because it's a boat I personally know that would fit the bill. I'm sure there's an equal choice for the money and of course better boats if you're budget is bottomless.

There's always a better boat. I would personally prefer more length because these faster boats have a narrow beam. The 27 Rambo looks interesting but not going to run 60 with a 300(would probably need twins).
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWesson View Post
He never said 60mph in 2-3' of water. I think you knew that though.



Yeah but hardly make it across the bay much less offshore. Cool boat though but you're in the wrong thread.

Seems like she wouldn't run that much faster with that 200 by hull design.. What's she running?



Cool do you have a link? 90 mph would be the fastest i've seen.
Found some mention of "Evan"

I searched around at different projects and found a couple where guys with 300's/350's were disappointed in performance over a 250 but figured it was a setup issue.

Looking further I found some impressive numbers but those were after doing work to the bottom of the boat(removing the hook or the wedge). Stock boats are hard to "air out".

Countless threads/builds where guys expect 80 + and hit that 75mph barrier(until they remove the hook from the bottom).
This is pretty typical(I know its a 300x but should give you an idea).
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350 Verado only hit 67mph
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Slapping a 350 or 400r engine on with the right prop won't get you 90mph. 70-75 no problem but a 300 will get you there too. Going over that will require mods to the bottom or a good bracket.
Paramount Facebook page, I think he hit 91 on GPS per the pictures. It is a stock bottom, but with a cut down console, 20" setback bracket and a 20" tuned 400R with a nose cone. When you see the video of that thing hung out on the pad, you will understand. Setback is key to getting past the wedge in the bottom, but once you do, you're flying on the pad. There are plenty of 70 MPH Paramounts out there with stock power/bottom and nothing more than some setback, but to really get past that 70 mark requires setback and having enough power to drive through the transition from the wedge to the pad. Keep in mind this is a boat you could fish offshore or run to Bimini on a nice day without problem. It is not a flats skiff or typical bay boat since it has a three piece design and more free board. I would say it resembles the hybrid bay boats like the Barker 26 Open or Yellowfin 26 with their lower gunnel 3-piece design.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:08 PM
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One of my buddies with a Majek Xtreme posted on instagram today that he hit 81.7 mph and he is still experimenting with props.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:37 AM
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We talk about how many inches, rather than feet, of water we run in around here.
that's a bad bad man right there. Love this boat.
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Old 01-12-2019, 05:59 AM
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The Spectre 24 was born from the Apache Scout, which is similar to 21 Superboat. The Superboat is from the 21 Challenger which started it all. Did Jay sell his molds for the 24 Spectre ? Who is building them in St Pete now ?
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 4oldcars View Post
The Spectre 24 was born from the Apache Scout, which is similar to 21 Superboat. The Superboat is from the 21 Challenger which started it all. Did Jay sell his molds for the 24 Spectre ? Who is building them in St Pete now ?
Apache Scout is a GREAT boat- but rare....

I had a 26 Scarab, the boat has a pad and needs to be propped for speed to go 60
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Old 01-12-2019, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 4oldcars View Post
The Spectre 24 was born from the Apache Scout, which is similar to 21 Superboat. The Superboat is from the 21 Challenger which started it all. Did Jay sell his molds for the 24 Spectre ? Who is building them in St Pete now ?
guys name is John Amerman. He is calling it a 24 revolution, just sent me a pic of the new factory demo boat the other day.... it looks great. Jay had two molds and John now has one of them. His has the stringer grid system which is nice.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWesson View Post
21 paramount is tough to beat but watch out for rot. If it fits the budget i'd buy one that needs restore so you can have a blank slate.

If you want to stay "legal" you'll have to stick with a 225 and that'll put you right at 60 with the right prop. Another positive is they don't seem too sensitive to weight. It'll run 60 loaded or not but it's not a lightweight hull that'll "air out".

They'll handle up to a 350 and it'll get them up to about 75 but from what i've read going big on this hull doesn't net the speed you'd expect but the boat will handle it no problem.

They'll get shallow, handle offshore runs, look great, and will run with bay boats.. What's not to like?

People asking why you'd want a go fast center console don't know how much fun it can be to go fast... It doesn't mean irresponsibly and cruising at 45 is really nice too.

Grown men get butthurt when they get passed in almost any situation.. I have a trawler and cruise my 16' CC @ 25 so i'm used to it lol.



Here's one with a 350

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so much truth in this post.

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Old 01-13-2019, 03:31 PM
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I don't have 1st hand knowledge, but I've seen some threads on Glasstreams and their problems. I'd stay away.

For what you're wanting, there isn't much. Paramount, Concept, Carrera, Scorpion, Renegade, etc. I'm not sure if all of those make the size you're looking for. A few make 29' and bigger.
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Old 01-14-2019, 06:39 AM
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Simmons just posted a video on instagram showing their Revolution 25 hitting 85 mph
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Old 01-14-2019, 08:43 AM
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1987 Donzi F . It was a 60 mph boat before the T-top ......................................
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Old 01-14-2019, 08:56 AM
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Hang a 300 Merc V8 on a 230 Bulls Bay and hang on.

It is Rated for a 300 and a lighter 300 Merc V8 would put you in the 65mph range if you can keep it stable.
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Old 01-14-2019, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by H2OBUG View Post
Hang a 300 Merc V8 on a 230 Bulls Bay and hang on.

It is Rated for a 300 and a lighter 300 Merc V8 would put you in the 65mph range if you can keep it stable.
I am surprised how fast that Triton hull is with small power. They'll do upper 40's with 4 cyl 200's.
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Old 01-15-2019, 04:42 AM
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How is Amerman selling the Revolution's ? Just the hull or complete hull, interior rigging ? I always like that hull but the molds have bounced around a bit.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharpest View Post
Simmons just posted a video on instagram showing their Revolution 25 hitting 85 mph
They got it up to 88 mph with a 5 blade prop.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:53 AM
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Blazer bay 675 should be over 70 mph.
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Old 01-15-2019, 08:33 AM
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21 Paramount gets my vote. Just spent some hours on a buddies and it was very impressive. With zero setup it did 55 mph with a 225 opti and a ttop. 52 mph with 5 people in the chop
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Old 01-15-2019, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 4oldcars View Post
How is Amerman selling the Revolution's ? Just the hull or complete hull, interior rigging ? I always like that hull but the molds have bounced around a bit.
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Since it is a 2019 with MSO he will probably want to do at minimum hull/cap, bonded and basic hardware and electric. Call him he’s a good dude.

Here’s a pic of the new factory boat. Looks great. Second pic is mine, not so great right now.....
As far as the molds form the story I have heard they really have not bounced around that much. There were two, Jay still has one and this is the second stop for this one. This one has the grid system which is a plus.
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