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Old 01-10-2019, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver21 View Post
I would vote for the Suzuki too mostly for the extra power. I don't get the love for the FBW controls though. They aren't anything special to me.
You have tried them? Everyone who takes the helm on my boat with df300 and fbw within seconds looks at me and says OMG.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:44 AM
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You have tried them? Everyone who takes the helm on my boat with df300 and fbw within seconds looks at me and says OMG.
Yes, I have them on my boat. Been using them for 2-3 years now. I just don't understand why people like them so much more. I get it if you have multiple stations. It makes the rigging easier. For a single station boat, I don't see much advantage. Yes they move smooth but so does a decent cable setup. Yes it can sync the RPMS between the motors but that is also trivial on most cable setups.

I trade off trips with a buddy who has a boat with twins and a cable setup. My boat has twins and FBW. We take my boat with FBW half the time and his boat with mechanical controls the other half. Since we dive with one person in the water and one person holding the boat (live boat diving) we run each other's boats a lot. I have no problem switching between the two and don't really notice a functional difference when I am running his boat. On my boat, he will sometimes give it more throttle than intended on accident because of the difference but aside from that, there doesn't seem to be much to it to me at least.

I am quite sure the power wire dependency on these FBW systems will come back to bite me and a lot of other owners at some point. I know, I know, cars and planes use these systems all the time. Well they don't use them around saltwater. At some point, someway, somehow, saltwater will screw up the power connection for the controls and leave a lot of people dead in the water. Wait until these FBW controls get 10-15 years on them and we start seeing weird issues with the controls because the connections age and get corroded.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:02 AM
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Is a Suzuki 350 an option for you?
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:05 AM
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I have a cables with my Honda. However here are the advantages to fly by wire:
  • Smoother use.
  • Troll control speeds with digital controls without tapping the throttle up and down to get just the right speed
  • No breaking cables.
  • No throttle creep when running.
I love my Honda and will go either 250 Honda or 250 Suzuki when I repower. If close in $ I will go Honda because of familiarity right now and I think they make the most durable block. However digital controls are nice and Suzuki makes a great motor.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DreamWeaver21 View Post
Yes, I have them on my boat. Been using them for 2-3 years now. I just don't understand why people like them so much more. I get it if you have multiple stations. It makes the rigging easier. For a single station boat, I don't see much advantage. Yes they move smooth but so does a decent cable setup. Yes it can sync the RPMS between the motors but that is also trivial on most cable setups.

I trade off trips with a buddy who has a boat with twins and a cable setup. My boat has twins and FBW. We take my boat with FBW half the time and his boat with mechanical controls the other half. Since we dive with one person in the water and one person holding the boat (live boat diving) we run each other's boats a lot. I have no problem switching between the two and don't really notice a functional difference when I am running his boat. On my boat, he will sometimes give it more throttle than intended on accident because of the difference but aside from that, there doesn't seem to be much to it to me at least.

I am quite sure the power wire dependency on these FBW systems will come back to bite me and a lot of other owners at some point. I know, I know, cars and planes use these systems all the time. Well they don't use them around saltwater. At some point, someway, somehow, saltwater will screw up the power connection for the controls and leave a lot of people dead in the water. Wait until these FBW controls get 10-15 years on them and we start seeing weird issues with the controls because the connections age and get corroded.
FBW is just so smooth and easier to run in some rough water. Frankly mechanical controls have issues after 10-15 years as well and before for some. Certainly with mechanical controls you have more ability to get something working on the water when you have an issue. In time we will see then difference in MTBF on FBW, my feeling is it will turn out a positive result for FBW. It did take me a few weeks to make the FBW decision on my last Suzuki DF200 for sure.

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Originally Posted by Parker Yacht View Post
Lawd knows I do not agree with you often, on this I do.

2019, what a year.
I wish great luck this coming year Sir .......... men does not always have to agree to be friends ..............
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Originally Posted by CANARIANFISHER View Post
I wish great luck this coming year Sir .......... men does not always have to agree to be friends ..............
Nice!
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Originally Posted by HighSpeedPursuit View Post
Honda...is the what?
Think he meant "Vtec." That size honda uses the same block as the Civic. Not a ton of outboard-equipped commercial boats out here but the ones that are have a Honda hanging off the back. And the ones you see have 3000+ hours on them. They weigh about the same as the 300 without the extra HP if weight is at all a concern.
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Again that Honda/Tohatsu reliability rears it’s ugly (IMPRESSIVE) head. Fishing MD your remarks didn’t go unnoticed. I’d like to thank all you guys, especially the ones running Suzuki 300s and Honda/Tohatsu 250s for sharing your opinions and experiences. I wish I could say my mind was 100% made up but it isn’t. The up side, seems either choice will be at least “GOOD” and should be an improvement on my F225 which by the way I was not unhappy with. That F225 engine gave me a lot of excellent service and never skipped a beat for 13 years and almost 2000 hours.

Hoping more owners share their experiences but even if they don’t the thread has been excellent, thanks again.....
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Dealer hung a DF300 on my 2520 today. Won't be able to see or touch it though until next week due to work.
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Originally Posted by TimC2520 View Post
Dealer hung a DF300 on my 2520 today. Won't be able to see or touch it though until next week due to work.

Once you get out and run it I hope you share some information. Your observations, opinion and experience with the new Suzuki 300 on the same boat as mine is about as good of information as there is.

Good luck with the new plant, maybe post up a picture or ten if you get a chance......
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I run the 250 ap Suzuki mechanical control with 120 gallons of fuel three guys 100lbs of ice tons of fishing gear on a 24 ft gamefish sea hunt I get 45mph loaded . 5k I run 40 mph cruising at 2.5 mpg 32 mph and 2.9 mpg , this is the motor you should get pm any queTikns let me know I picked mine up for 16, 5 installed

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Old 01-10-2019, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mpellet View Post



Once you get out and run it I hope you share some information. Your observations, opinion and experience with the new Suzuki 300 on the same boat as mine is about as good of information as there is.

Good luck with the new plant, maybe post up a picture or ten if you get a chance......
Will post pics next week but unfortunately I live in the NE/MidAtlantic so she is going right to the driveway and on blocks until April 1. Maybe earlier? Depends on the weather but the last few March’s have been brutal around here.
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Old 01-10-2019, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TimC2520 View Post


Will post pics next week but unfortunately I live in the NE/MidAtlantic so she is going right to the driveway and on blocks until April 1. Maybe earlier? Depends on the weather but the last few March’s have been brutal around here.

I’m in CT I KNOW.
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Suzuki is a no brainer

Plenty out there with 4-5k hours. Extremely reliable motor
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:29 PM
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I may have missed it mentioned,not sure.But the Suzuki has a Lower gear ratio and runs a larger diameter prop. which could be beneficial in Your application.
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Originally Posted by Lone Ranger View Post
I may have missed it mentioned,not sure.But the Suzuki has a Lower gear ratio and runs a larger diameter prop. which could be beneficial in Your application.
Current generation of Honda has 2:1 gear ratio and can turn a 16 inch prop. I believe same as Suzuki
Also I my Honda 250 came with fly by wire controls. Mechanical was a less expensive option. For what it's worth I repowered my Seacraft 23 verado 250 with a Honda 250 in 2 months ago. I was torn about single vs twins dt long offshore runs...ultimately decided to stay with a single. So then choice was between Suzuki 300 vs Honda 250. (Never had opportunity to consider Yam or Merc bc wait times on 300s) I chose Honda, it cost me a few grand more versus the Suzuki in Charleston. Hopefully it was a good choice.
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Old 01-11-2019, 11:41 AM
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Boat looks fantastic with the new Suzuki. My Parker 2520 is a non-bracket transom mount as well. My current engine is a 30” shaft. That engine looks shorter, is that a 25”?
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Originally Posted by Mpellet View Post

Boat looks fantastic with the new Suzuki. My Parker 2520 is a non-bracket transom mount as well. My current engine is a 30” shaft. That engine looks shorter, is that a 25”?

yes mine is a 2520 MVSC
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