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Old 01-08-2019, 08:56 PM
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LOL Id be happy with 36kts at WOT. My boat wouldnt know what to do with itself at 40kts +. I would be both thrilled and amazed if I ended up even close to your numbers....

I bet hell cruise at 36mph and burn about 11 gph. Id second hed see 46mph easily. My Everglades 243 weighs 4000lbs with no engine and I am getting 52 mph wide open throttle.

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Old 01-08-2019, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Irie243 View Post



I bet hes cruise at 36mph and burn about 11 gph. Id second hed see 46mph easily. My Everglades 243 weighs 4000lbs with no engine and I am getting 52 mph wide open throttle.

Well I appreciate all the imput from you guys. I started the thread to hear opinions and experiences from owners of either engine. Sounds like there are a lot of very happy Suzuki 300 owners out there....
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:03 PM
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RPM MPH GPH MPG
RPM MPH GPH MPG


1000 5.9 1.30 4.50

1500 7.3 2.15 3.37

2000 8.3 3.75 2.20

2500 10.4 5.60 1.86

3000 13.3 7.80 1.70

3500 23.7 10.00 2.37

4000 30.5 12.55 2.43

4500 35.5 17.85 1.99

5000 39.4 23.95 1.64

5500 44.9 26.05 1.72

5700 46.4 26.25 1.77


That's with a 300 Yamaha. Don't think you will see 3MPG. Boat weighs to much. Zuke should get a little better MPG's. The Yamaha got a best of 2.43
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Irie243 View Post



I bet hes cruise at 36mph and burn about 11 gph. Id second hed see 46mph easily. My Everglades 243 weighs 4000lbs with no engine and I am getting 52 mph wide open throttle.
The Parker weighs over 5000 pounds dry with a huge cabin
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Old 01-08-2019, 09:32 PM
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The Parker weighs over 5000 pounds dry with a huge cabin
Wow. Thats beastly. 300Hp all day.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:55 PM
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No replacement for displacement

you never hear a guy say he wishes he had less HP

etc etc

I know you also said it’s of little consequence to you but I do think the FBW controls should be a factor. In the past couple months I’ve ran mech Zuke 250s, FBW Zuke 300, and FBW vrods...the FBW is simply much more of a pleasure to run IMO.

I do hear great things about the Honda/tohatsu, and tohatsu sale pricing is very intriguing in theory, but if you can swing the cost a more readily serviceable and known Zuke with superior throttle controls and more displacement/HP (esp considering Your hull) seems like a no brainer. Just my $0.02
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Irie243 View Post


Suzuki also comes in white
Yes but Tohatsu ( just a rebadged Honda built by honda) is much cheaper and as far as I know only sell in black .................
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:55 AM
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You may not use the extra HP but if you need it it is there. This was my reason to go for the Suzuki over the Honda plus the engine would work less. My mechanic serviced both and he said lugging a heavy boat is not good for the engine. If you are going with two 250s then go Honda but if you are going with a single engine I would rather the Suzuki 300 all day.
there is no need to have the engines "lugging" the way is to reduce pitch in the props and tehn the engines while working at higher rpms will not be lugging .............please tell this to your mechanic ............
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CANARIANFISHER View Post
there is no need to have the engines "lugging" the way is to reduce pitch in the props and tehn the engines while working at higher rpms will not be lugging .............please tell this to your mechanic ............

Lawd knows I do not agree with you often, on this I do.

2019, what a year.
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I don't have any experience with either Suzuki or Honda so maybe my $.02 is only worth $.01. I do have experience with FBW controls on two new Yamaha's and IMO FBW is a game changer. That picture Irie243 posted above sure is purdy.
Best luck with whatever you choose although I have really enjoyed reading your exploits with your F225.
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:46 AM
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More displacement is always better than less displacement. Advantage Suzuki.
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:30 AM
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250 Honda vs 250 suzuki = honda
250 Honda vs 300 suzuki = suzuki

we ran that boat for years with a 225 suzuki and it always felt like it would jump out of the water and really get on plane when we had it to the pins. would been nice to cruise at the top speed with that 225 but I dont remember numbers. I can only remember relplacing the poppet valve the lower unit seals and i remember it was a loud engine at cruise bit you couldnt even hear it at idle or trolling
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mpellet View Post


I am working with a Tohatsu Dealer on a 2018, its black.
Actually my 2017 Tohatsu is Cobalt Blue, I thought it was black also until I got it home in the sun! I was in the same situation, the 300 Zuke was going to be the one. I was three days from mailing the deposit and getting "in line" for the install, until on a chance visit to the Tampa boat show and the ToHondasu was $3200 less than the best price I got on the Suzuki. I gave up fly by wire and 50 hp, however I did not have to drive the boat across the state for the install....plus there was the $3200 still in my pocket.

Now to answer your question. Either is a good choice! I have friends with the Zuke who love it and I think I would have been very happy with one also. In my case it was three things; money dependability and fuel burn that made me go with the Tohatsu. Good Luck!!
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CANARIANFISHER View Post
there is no need to have the engines "lugging" the way is to reduce pitch in the props and tehn the engines while working at higher rpms will not be lugging .............please tell this to your mechanic ............
I called him and told him what you said. He said he meant it figuratively as in: lugging- carry or drag (a heavy or bulky object) with great effort, but rather than the engine, the boat!!
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:27 PM
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Boats rated for 450 HP. 250 would be fine on the MV. The deep vee rides much better and can use the extra HP.
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Old 01-09-2019, 06:10 PM
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It all comes down to what you want to see hanging back there. You mentioned wow factor so that's all you need to decide.

I hang em all at my 9-5 and I die a little inside when I get a build sheet with mechanical shift motors listed.
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Old 01-09-2019, 07:02 PM
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They still make Hondas?
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DF300AQP's with 650 hours and have not seen a dealer. No idea about Honda but what I read.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:38 PM
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I would vote for the Suzuki too mostly for the extra power. I don't get the love for the FBW controls though. They aren't anything special to me.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:46 PM
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3200 hours on my Honda. Hope to get 5000 hrs.


With that said, Zuke has digital controls. Don’t think you can go wrong with either and don’t think there is a significant performance difference when propped correctly . Pick the better deal and what your heart says.

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