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Old 05-16-2019, 10:32 PM
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Extra HP plus better fuel economy, seems just a tad fanciful.
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Old 05-16-2019, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dcgator View Post
I’m no expert , but seems like they have to be bypassing some emission controls (NOx sensor) and tuning and dumping more fuel at the motor for more hp. Would have to think Mercury would do this themselves and sell 460+hp verados, if they were clean enough.
I think you hit the nail on the head, emissions and reliability concerns are most likely the reason mercury is not doing this from the factory.

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Old 05-17-2019, 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by noelm View Post
Extra HP plus better fuel economy, seems just a tad fanciful.
99.9% of recreational fisherman would like to increase their fuel economy at cruising speed. None of the tuning/flashing companies have even been able to provide any proof of fuel economy gains, besides a ‘claim’ on social media. I’ve tested tuned Verados from both Whipple and Simon’s. The extra HP is there at the mid and upper RPM range, but no gains are seen in fuel efficiency. Especially to justify the price tag.
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Old 05-17-2019, 03:55 AM
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Yep, kind of knew that was the case, but, people make these claims, it gets repeated and embellished every week and before you know it, there is "documented" 80HP gains and much better fuel economy too.
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Originally Posted by noelm View Post
Yep, kind of knew that was the case, but, people make these claims, it gets repeated and embellished every week and before you know it, there is "documented" 80HP gains and much better fuel economy too.
they have pretty good documentation of the gains in the form of videos. Lots of them. The gains are real.

They have a trip 350 39st contender that runs over 80-mine runs 71. They have several quad Freeman’s running 80 that run low 70s stock. 36yf also on video with big gains.

USP probably does the same thing as Whipple or bobs but has done a better job marketing on social media.
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:40 AM
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KakaroT - where did you get the invoice from? Just wondering. It is not like it is available to anyone but Chris Green or the seller or did you raid his mailbox?
Why is the lawsuit "Shady"? Do not know Chris, but it looks like a Trademark infringement, nothing to do with his product.
Seems like he would not be where he is at if his products were blowing up 2 million dollar car engines. Just saying.
He has now started with outboards, so do you think Mercury will sue him? Get real. The reason for most of these "tunes" is to bypass the EPA regulations and get what the engine will actually deliver.
Same as Tier 1, 2, 3 for the diesel engines. All EPA regulations and what does that do? Limit horsepower.
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Old 05-17-2019, 07:40 AM
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Whipple Chargers were the first marine superchargers that I saw as a kit with the screw type Lysholm supercharger. Also had the air bypass control valve that would let the motor idle without the supercharger surge. Now that technology is the same setup as is on the Verado's I6 motors. Dustin Whipple was out there in the 1990s/2000's.

Helped a friend put those kits on a 36' Spectre cat with Merc 500 EFI's and went from 105 to 130 mph with 2 kits and props. Motors ran good. Outdrives not so good.

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Old 05-17-2019, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Hillsboro View Post
KakaroT - where did you get the invoice from? Just wondering. It is not like it is available to anyone but Chris Green or the seller or did you raid his mailbox?
Why is the lawsuit "Shady"? Do not know Chris, but it looks like a Trademark infringement, nothing to do with his product.
Seems like he would not be where he is at if his products were blowing up 2 million dollar car engines. Just saying.
He has now started with outboards, so do you think Mercury will sue him? Get real. The reason for most of these "tunes" is to bypass the EPA regulations and get what the engine will actually deliver.
Same as Tier 1, 2, 3 for the diesel engines. All EPA regulations and what does that do? Limit horsepower.
I got the invoice from Wikileaks, don’t worry about it. Its just sad these pioneers, whipple, simmon got robbed and now these fake dream sellers usps marine are selling their same exact tune for more money saying its their own product. At the end just sad sad for the customers end that overpay for the SAME product out there for less
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Old 05-17-2019, 08:58 AM
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Hey brother! I appreciate the conversation. Like Chris explained, in business, competition evaluation is very common. No harm done there, so we can move on from the conspiracy you are cooking up. It is a shame that our competition, like yourself, have to come to these lengths to try to dig like this. Nothing new, we have been battling competition like this for a long time. We have been in business for 20+ years in the European car market. We manufacture six in-house brands from carbon fiber to turbo kits. We ship 100+ orders a day worldwide from our Pompano Beach warehouse and maintain relationships with 70-80 brands that we well alongside our own products. Chris started the business out of his garage over 20 years ago out of a passion for horsepower then moving to the current repair shop we still have in Coral Springs. We have developed quite a reputation as one of the best European shops in the country. Chris has been building/tuning 1000HP+ four-stroke engines since he has been 16 years old with ECU calibrations that make outboard engines look like a toy. Like I explained, we appreciate the conversation and bringing this to light. If anyone happens to be near our repair shop in Coral Springs, or near our warehouse in Pompano Beach -- please don't hesitate to reach out for a tour! We have all intention of being in the marine market for a long time. We have a full suite of hardware parts on the horizon and look forward to seeing what Mercury brings to the table with this V8 platform!

That being said, KakaroT, I would not be throwing rocks in glass houses with the reputation you have. Asking people for their flashed ECU's in 2017, so you can read/write copies of them for free? Man, this just gets better.....


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Old 05-17-2019, 08:59 AM
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What a thread! I can't resist jumping in on this one ... been a troller too long.

First of all ... what crap KakaroT! You and your buddy Simon ... he obviously gave you that invoice ("don't worry about it", what BS) ... "both" of you better be real careful Libel is a real thing, and this is a breech of the assumed legal covenant for a business to respect the privacy of its customers. I hope you get your asses sued off, though Mr. Green seems a pretty stand up guy and prolly couldn't give a damn much about this.

Is this really about buying a competitive product? Really? Do any of you think that doesn't happen a thousand times a day, everyday? So what? Kudos to them for being smart, and if it was supposed to be covert, not so smart using his own name and address, seems he stood right out front of it. He paid $4700 for three motors, likely for his own boat. Looks totally legit, why buy 3 if not to evaluate on a boat? Pretty obvious. You bet I would if it was my business. Guarantee there's a Merc Verado somewhere at the Yamaha plant for evaluation.

Mr. Green is clearly the real deal, seems, like many doing it RIGHT NOW, they made a mistake and sold emblems, wow, going straight to Hell huh? KakaroT, don't make any mistakes? Looks like they settled and complied. How many times does that happen everyday??

What is KakaroT's stake in this? What, you here to save the world? Clearly you have an axe to grind and found the Internet to do it ... just brilliant.

USP apparently has built some world class motors, like I found an 9 second Audi of theirs on YouTube (search Worlds fastest Audi S4). That's killin' it! Or, what, you got dirt on that too? They also seem to have a great reputation, and are well established. And that was years ago.

If I was near them I'd have them tune my Whaler for sure. I was thinking about buying the Simon tune, that's how I found this thread. NOW? I wouldn't buy candy from Simon, he's the only one who could have provided that invoice and this black hat crap tweaks me. He may be KakaroT?

Paybacks are a bitch ... it's not even his tune to begin with!!! So what he copied Simon's *copied* tune? Pretty obvious USP know a little something about tuning motors.

I can't get passed Simon providing that invoice for this purpose, pretty skeevy. Beat 'em on the score board, like my coach always said.

KakaroT, errr, Simon?, you know you look like a scum bag, right? Clearly Mr. Green is legit. You're only helping him with this.

This thread just stinks and kudos to Mr. Green for taking the high road. Haters will hate. I've read about a lot of happy customers with fast boats and fast cars thanks to this guy.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by davidwademarine View Post


99.9% of recreational fisherman would like to increase their fuel economy at cruising speed. None of the tuning/flashing companies have even been able to provide any proof of fuel economy gains, besides a ‘claim’ on social media. I’ve tested tuned Verados from both Whipple and Simon’s. The extra HP is there at the mid and upper RPM range, but no gains are seen in fuel efficiency. Especially to justify the price tag.
Hey David! At this point we have 150+ tournament boats, charter captains, boating enthusiasts, etc -- which provide incredible data and feedback for us. Just like a diesel truck, or gas vehicle -- when the engine can perform with less strain at certain RPM...there will always been fuel savings. I stray far away from making crazy claims on the efficiency side, but I have not tuned a boat that has seen less than 10% efficiency at that sweet spot cruise. Just got done with a 39ST (4) 350 boat that picked up 18%! Feel free to reach out if you have any questions brother.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:09 AM
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AHHHHHHH!! NOW it's clear, he *is* Simon! Trying to sell tunes. Like I said, skeevy. Less than zero credibility in this thread now.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:17 AM
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Creating competition is what makes the world go round. I think that whoever this KakaroT guy is has an axe to grind. It will not be hard to get who he is via legal representation, but really? Just sitting on your keyboard and talking a bunch of crap is not helpful. If Chris was that much of a bad businessman, he would not be around nor have the following he has. I do not know of anyone making a modified cover for the Mercury so it has a better air flow. He does. Sounds like the hornets nest has been stirred and Chris came on here to defend himself. Good on you. There will always be someone who wants to bad mouth a good product and since it is taking off, there always has to be that one guy who wants to start shit. And for the record, I do not have any affiliation one way or the other with either of these guys.
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Old 05-17-2019, 09:23 AM
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I would speculate that the first hot tune for the Vrod slipped out of engineering at Mercury. They were running 500 tunes long before anyone else ever touched one.
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I only did a few yamaha tunes I do not have security bypass for the mercury ecu.like i said am just a fisherman but you guys. Sell fake news dream sellers 20+ year blah blah gets boring send simmon some percentage for his work being copied by you. No competition here am sure only you guys able to read and wirte mercury ecu. My chinese ktag only did couple of yamaha ecu not much gain there. Remeber pay simmon for his work dont take all the credit
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Originally Posted by KakaroT View Post
I do not have security bypass for the mercury ecu
Oh, so you are lying to people on here about you tuning Mercury’s now? This just keeps getting better.....



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Originally Posted by KakaroT View Post
I only did a few yamaha tunes I do not have security bypass for the mercury ecu.like i said am just a fisherman but you guys. Sell fake news dream sellers 20+ year blah blah gets boring send simmon some percentage for his work being copied by you. No competition here am sure only you guys able to read and wirte mercury ecu. My chinese ktag only did couple of yamaha ecu not much gain there. Remeber pay simmon for his work dont take all the credit
How dumb. Does "simmon" (errr, you) send Whipple or Mercury money for copying their stuff? Clearly you both hacked Mercury? Ridiculous. You do realize how dumb you look, right?

Hillsboro is right, competition makes the world go round; not this skeevy crap, I need a shower. Over and out.
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:03 AM
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This is a good show in here. I deal with this on Bosch BMS ECMs on bikes. You better believe we buy a competitor's "flash" and see just what they did and improve upon it. Your posting of a personal invoice is a straight gutter trash move.
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Oh, so you are lying to people on here about you tuning Mercury’s now? This just keeps getting better.....



OMG that KarrotTop guy sounds like a real winner haha I hope he comes back and keeps digging his hole deeper. I need more popcorn
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HAHAHA please see the video below, I bet KarrotTop got paid by Simon to heckle USP Marine haha so good! damn one thing that is sad to see if people who are jealous and envious of others, its sad but funny. Thanks KarrotTop for the laughs
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