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Old 09-23-2018, 12:29 PM
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Pic from the first time I went to get it in MD. Had to leave it after seeing the condition of the hubs and tires. The seller made all the repairs and I came back a month later
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Old 09-23-2018, 01:35 PM
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Ok here it goes. This is the progress from the past week so far:

Saturday- built the motor stand. Sheís heavy duty and probably overkill, but Iíd rather not walk into the garage and find the engine on the ground. Plus Iím sure itís not the last time there will be an engine on it

Sunday- removes the main engine and kicker from the boat. De rigged everything and stripped the console before finally removing it

Thursday- Began floor removal and assessment of necessary repairs. I did notice that the transom had been previously cut down and then kind of halfway repaired to bring it back up to a 25Ē. When I took off the stainless plate, as you can see in the pictures, there was a piece that had been at one time glasses back in to raise up the height again. The holes were from supports rods, which were actually cut up gear shaft, that were into the transom and the patch piece. Iíd never seen anything like it, but I guess it worked.

Saturday- Floor is completely out now. Honestly everything isnít as bad as I had anticipated. For the most part the floor was bone dry except for the two obvious spots. The stringers are kind of the same way as well, but where there is rot, they are shot. Doesnít really matter since theyíre all coming out anyhow, just interesting. I did notice that water was being held in the one side of the bulkhead in the bow. They had the cross member notched for water, but then glasses over it in that side and so the water could barely get by. Oh well. Didnít seem to hurt anything.

The next step is foam and tank removal. I know that tank is going to be a bear so if anyone has any tips feel free to chime in. I doubt the tank is any good, but Iím going to take it to the shop and pressure test it anyhow. Might get lucky. Hopefully Iíll get to some of that today, if not then for sure this week.
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Top station for the tower, going to need to fab up the control box at some point
Donít know why all the photos didnít upload, hereís the last few Iíve got. I know itís a lot of photos, but Iím just trying to be as thorough as possible, maybe someone will see something I donít and provide some input
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Looking good so far. I'll be following along.
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Old 09-23-2018, 06:04 PM
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I rebuilt the same or similar boat in 92. Boy those pics brought back those memories. One thing I did different from original was tied the side gussets all the way across. Beautiful boats when done. Does that have a 9.5 wide beam.
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Old 09-23-2018, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Delduck View Post
I rebuilt the same or similar boat in 92. Boy those pics brought back those memories. One thing I did different from original was tied the side gussets all the way across. Beautiful boats when done. Does that have a 9.5 wide beam.
I like the idea of tying the gussets all the way across. But no the beam is only 8.5í. The 24 is 9.5 wide I think. Mine is the 21.
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Old 09-23-2018, 08:20 PM
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Old 09-24-2018, 04:38 AM
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I am currently doing a similar rebuild on a 20 footer. Once I get my 10 post where I can put up pics Ill start a thread.
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Fix your mirrors.
Thanks for quoting the entire post just to say that
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You have quite a project, great progress. Take your time and do it right. Should be a great riding hull.
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Old 09-24-2018, 06:35 AM
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Not sure what your primary use is going to be but we raised that front deck area up as a casting platform. As I mentioned to you in the PM we did a lot of cast netting off the front of the boat.

That also made the area deep enough to allow us to install hatches for storage under that front deck. As outside of the console there is no storage on that boat.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
Not sure what your primary use is going to be but we raised that front deck area up as a casting platform. As I mentioned to you in the PM we did a lot of cast netting off the front of the boat.

That also made the area deep enough to allow us to install hatches for storage under that front deck. As outside of the console there is no storage on that boat.
I would do the same. Also make sure the entire cockpit is self bailing, taking into account a possible Repower to a 4 stroke in the future. You might have to raise the deck to accomplish this...
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:42 AM
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For reference, here is what they are talking about. Some pics of mine. That raised deck in the front give you a crap ton of room to store stuff. As mentioned, the only place to store stuff.
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any update?
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Alright, long lost coming up: Progress has been relatively slow this week, but the foam is 95% out and the tank is out. Took some rough calculations for material quantities today as well. Iím back toying with the idea of Coosa for the stringers, but it will come down to cost. If the boat lasted 30+ years with wood stringers and halfway glass jobs, whoís to say I couldnít get another 30 out of it with wood again. Any input would be great. I just need some reasoning to justify the cost. The other issue is Iíve jot worked with Coosa, so thereís a learning curve there.

As dtated by a few people here, I will be raising the deck height to accommodate a 4 stroke in the future. The issue is trying to nail down how much additional height is needed. I pulled some measurements from my buddies 21 and compared them to mine. What I found was my deck was virtually flat, and it was also 3Ē lower. His deck on the other hand had a 2Ē slope over 8í from the transom. He has a 200 Yamaha on a bracket and it is set bailing. As of now Iím using those numbers as a baseline for minimum height requirement.

My big question though is that while investingating the stringers, I cut the short, rear piece of the center stringer out to see how far down the rot went, and what I noticed was the keel under the fuel tank area also has wood and it was rotten. This is only about a 5í area, how important is it to repair this is what Iím wondering? I know the keel is often referred to as the back bone, but is this extra step necessary? If so Iíll probably replace with white oak or something along those lines.

Transom removal is the next phase, Iíd like to have the transse replaced prior to replacing stringers. Iím also thinking of adding knees on every stringer all the way up to the top of the transom and into the transom cap. Is there a ratio of height up the transom to length along the stringer for knees? Just curious. Alright I thinks thatís all the questions for now, more to come
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Originally Posted by 20biminitwist View Post
Not sure what your primary use is going to be but we raised that front deck area up as a casting platform. As I mentioned to you in the PM we did a lot of cast netting off the front of the boat.

That also made the area deep enough to allow us to install hatches for storage under that front deck. As outside of the console there is no storage on that boat.
the storage area in the raised casting platform is a very good idea and will be integrated into my design. The only other compartment being added may be a fish box in the transom. Nice looking rig youíve got there
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Originally Posted by bayroamer94 View Post
I am currently doing a similar rebuild on a 20 footer. Once I get my 10 post where I can put up pics Ill start a thread.
post the thread on here when you do and Iíll folow along. Those twenties are nice. Got a buddy with one we use as a big water duck rig. Sheís a beast
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Last post for today; the tank is shot (as expected), oxidatijnate holes all over the bottom. Anybody have any pros and cons of poly Vs stainless tanks?
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Last post for today; the tank is shot (as expected), oxidatijnate holes all over the bottom. Anybody have any pros and cons of poly Vs stainless tanks?
Stainless is almost never used for tanks and US regs discourage it; apparently SS tanks can be too brittle and crack under the stresses tanks endure. There is a rare and expensive stainless alloy called Monel that is great for tanks, but it's outrageously expensive so almost no one uses it anymore.

Your choices are ploy or welded aluminum. Poly won't ever corrode which is a huge advantage. But a poly tank won't have baffles to control fuel sloshing inside, and there's an upper limit to tank size with poly, I believe around 45 gallons. If you want huge capacity it will likely involve multiple poly tanks.

Aluminum tanks can be custom built to whatever size and shape within reason, and are baffled inside which allows larger tank sizes. But they can and will corrode depending on mounting and whether they are coal tar epoxied. You can do a search, there are lots of threads on aluminum tank installation.

Cool boat to restore BTW, I'm enjoying your project.
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