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Old 08-11-2006, 01:40 PM
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Tower Todd,

What made the boat so bad? No specifics that I could find in your post.
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Old 08-11-2006, 01:50 PM
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Overall quality was lacking. Fit and finish was poor. When hitting a small wave the glove box would fall open and the cap in the center of the sttering wheel would fall off. Was it the end of the world? - no but representitive of the quality. Like I stated though it was a cheap way for us to get our first boat. I know many bayliner owners who love the bayliner they own. You must remember that in the NW the boating season is fairly short so there are not a lot of higher end boats up here. People just don't want to pay $$$ for a short season.
I am currently selling a 26' Wahoo and have had several contacts with customers that said they did not want a Trophy so I guess I'm not alone.
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Old 08-11-2006, 01:54 PM
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Thanks for the info!
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Old 08-11-2006, 01:56 PM
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I took a cruise on the Norwegian Dawn last year and would you believe
when I opened the sliding glass door to the balcony the handle fell off....
POS.......never again.......next time its Celebrity Cruise line.....p.s. when I pushed on the side of the hull while we were boarding I swear I felt it flex......
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:05 PM
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I suppose expectations help determine satisfaction. When I bought my boat, it was for a couple of purposes, cruising, tubing and fishing. All I do with her now is fish and she does it adequatly. The boat was relatively inexpensive and has performed admirably for me. Yup, a few things here and there have needed replacing but I've been happy with her. Definitely not the pinnacle of boating quality but the hull is sound and she still floats allowing me to get to the fish and home!
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:07 PM
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Many people buy Bayliners thinking they'll be getting a boat of the same quality as a Sea Ray...they aren't

The Bayliner is a perfectly functional boat. I had a 2250 Capri with a Mercruiser 5.7 and, while I had some engine and lower unit issues, the boat itself was wonderful. It had an excellent hull, it was very dry and fast and handled large wakes (used in a smallish lake) with ease. in addition, it had enough space in it to throw a party for a herd of water buffalo.

But I knew from the beginning that I was buying a price point boat...and you could tell. There was some waviness in the gelcoat (as well as the impression of the glass "weave," The storage areas were not carpeted, the stereo had less fidelity than a transistor AM radio and the speakers were garbage. The quality of the carpet, instrumentation, and upholstery was...ok, but not up to something you would expect from (again) a sea ray.

Think of it this way, a Lexus ES330 and a Toyota Camry are basically the same car, but there are big differences in the details. Both will get you from point A to point B safely and reliably, but you'll get a "nicer" car in the lexus.
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:08 PM
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They are what they are. The newer large ones are sold under the Meridian brand.

At least up until a few years ago, the hulls were made by US Marine - same as Maxum and Sea Ray. I don't know if that's still true though. The larger boats are generally better built than the runabouts.

I had a friend that has had three of the biguns - 1st one he had numerous problems with the engines (Mercruisers) which neither Mercruiser nor Bayliner (pre-Meridian) were able to resolve - so after numerous go-arounds and a court battle, they ended up giving him a new Meridian - which he thoroughly enjoyed but decided to upsize to a larger Meridian a couple of years later. To my knowledge, he had no problems with the Meridians.

Now, with that said - I spotted the problem boat on the dealer lot a few months after his case got settled (on the Bayliner not the Meridian). It had a sign on it that said the "owner upgraded to a bigger boat"........True.....but not entirely......

One might question the ethics of that particular dealer in all kinds of ways.

I was perfectly happy with the hull and mechanicals (Mercruiser with Alpha 1 OD) on my 1952 Cuddy. Some of the hardware was light (cheap), and the deck was not so good - 5 yrs of hard hard use and it was going soft (plywood with a "nod" towards epoxying), but the boat served me well and ran great all the time for those five years.

Are there better boats out there? Definitely. But not for the price.

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Old 08-11-2006, 02:10 PM
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I once heard that there are only two things in life that you cannot get rid of.........aids and a Bayliner.
Actually, I've never owned one and don't intend to badmouth 'em. I just thought it was funny. One friend said it to another friend who had just bought one, so that cracked me up. Although, I will admit it's a horrible thing to say to someone who just bought his first boat.

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Old 08-11-2006, 02:15 PM
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My 2 nd boat was a 29ft Bayliner and 3rd was the 3258 in think it was called. I loved both boats. I never had any major problems. Both my boats went faster then our friends Searays and Chaperell. They have a bad rap, because of some issues a long time ago. I mean over 15 years. You get a lot of boat for a great price. We used our boats all over Pinellas county on the Wset coast of Florida for fishing, Anchor out over night and everything else. We own an Intrepid now as well as an Albury Brothers on order. Don't let people scare you away from Bayliners. Evinrudes have a lot of the same bad rep, but they are a fine motor. Good luck!!!!
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:57 PM
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Wow - I do have to say the Bayliner response sure has toned down since about a year ago when I made MY first post. I almost didn't come back....


orange_crush used the same analogy I use and some of the reputation also comes from some of the type of people that by the brand becuase of the price - they trash it. If they could or did afford a more expensive boat they would trash it as well. Ask any mechanic that works on cars. You'll see a trashed Lexus and a pristine Camry, but more often than not it is the other way around.

My boat is 20 years old - I figure if it was that bad it would have sunk by now. This is my third Bayliner.




Yep - did blow the upper sterndrive.

Yep - alot of other brands have that happen as well.

Yep - I'll buy another someday...



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Old 08-11-2006, 05:59 PM
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njfishingfreak - 8/10/2006 4:34 PM

ARE THE BIGGER BAYLINERS AS BAD AS THE SMALLER ONES,,,??? 2452 Ciera ??? any good?? thanks!
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Old 08-11-2006, 07:26 PM
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Not sure its toned down, i think the majority of the board memebers would say if your happy with your boat quit asking about its quality. live with what you bought. You dont need our approval..
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:47 PM
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cjsweeney - 8/11/2006 5:59 PM

njfishingfreak - 8/10/2006 4:34 PM

ARE THE BIGGER BAYLINERS AS BAD AS THE SMALLER ONES,,,??? 2452 Ciera ??? any good?? thanks!
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Kind of like "Do you still beat your wife?"
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:51 PM
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Quote "NW the boating season is fairly short so there are not a lot of higher end boats up here. People just don't want to pay $$$ for a short season"

Tower Tod, HAVE YOU EVER EVEN BEEN HERE?
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Old 08-11-2006, 09:02 PM
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kloweree - 8/11/2006 1:56 PM

I took a cruise on the Norwegian Dawn last year and would you believe
when I opened the sliding glass door to the balcony the handle fell off....
POS.......never again.......next time its Celebrity Cruise line.....p.s. when I pushed on the side of the hull while we were boarding I swear I felt it flex......
I was on the Dawn in June '05. Found it to be really nice, including the balcony. Perhaps you were on right after it hit that rouge wave and they hadn't fixed you room yet?
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Old 08-11-2006, 10:52 PM
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redneck joe - 8/11/2006 2:57 PM

Wow - I do have to say the Bayliner response sure has toned down since about a year ago when I made MY first post. I almost didn't come back....








No sense in beating a dead horse. Most here know what they are. No reason to keep rubbing it in.

If it suits your needs, go for it!

The folks that say buy a Grady/Pursuit/Whaler won't help you with the payments, so why bother listening to them.

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Old 08-12-2006, 12:36 PM
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boatommy - 8/11/2006 8:51 PM

Quote "NW the boating season is fairly short so there are not a lot of higher end boats up here. People just don't want to pay $$$ for a short season"

Tower Tod, HAVE YOU EVER EVEN BEEN HERE?
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Old 08-12-2006, 09:04 PM
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I have a rental house in Port Charlotte. Tenant moved out leaving a POS Bayliner Contessa tied up to the dock. Being the POS that it was, I was very impressed that it at least floated. That was before I realized that it was actually resting on the bottom, but that near the dock the water was shallow enough to keep it looking like it was floating.
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Martino110 - 8/12/2006 9:04 PM

I have a rental house in Port Charlotte. Tenant moved out leaving a POS Bayliner Contessa tied up to the dock. Being the POS that it was, I was very impressed that it at least floated. That was before I realized that it was actually resting on the bottom, but that near the dock the water was shallow enough to keep it looking like it was floating.
And you mention this because? That could be any brand boat.


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Old 08-13-2006, 12:34 AM
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Yes, I've been to Puget Sound. I live ten minutes away. Yes you can boat here 12 months out of the year. Mostly only fisherman are out in winter - it's not like it's going to ice over. All I'm saying is that the general boating season here is fairly short. I bet the boat traffic from Mem day weekend to Labor Day weekend is higher than the entire rest of the year. At least it is at the boat ramp in Everett. The ramp can be a pretty lonely place in winter but not at this time.
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