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Old 09-01-2018, 03:09 PM
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I fish alone most of the time and my boat is a heavy 28' Baha hardtop. I have a Rockna anchor and when it digs in it really digs in. I have been using the anchor ball method to get the anchor out and I must have got it caught under a rock the last time I was out. I couldn't pull it out like I normally do by tying off the anchor rode to a rear cleat and motor until it pulls out. This time I couldn't get the anchor out the normal way and I figured I would just pull and hope I didn't break off the anchor. I had about 4 turns on my rear cleat and I was pulling so hard the line started slipping on the cleat and made a hell of a noise that actually startled me. I tied off of the cleat better and started pulling and the anchor finally pulled out. I was actually scared I was going to rip the cleat right out of the boat but I figured the anchor rode would break first but I don't know for sure if that is true?

I have never pulled out an cleat and I have never seen anyone else do it either. I have a backing bar on the underside of the cleat and it's obviously pretty robust but have any of you guys actually ripped out a cleat before your anchor line or dock line break? I have never pulled this hard on a cleat in my 40 years of owning boats so if this happens in the future is it more logical that I will break the 1/2" anchor line before I rip the cleat out?
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Old 09-01-2018, 03:18 PM
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Never pulled a cleat out That said - It is foolish to try to pull an anchor out off a rear cleat - has been known to submerge the stern
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Old 09-01-2018, 03:41 PM
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Haha, this reminds me of a guy we used to know who had a 27 Jupiter. Boat was named "under the radar..." he had no radar.

A buddy of mine worked for him and one mini season, they went out with a brand new hookah rig and guy decided to raft up to his friend's much larger boat.

He comes up from a dive and the Jupiter apparently decided to motor over top the divers still rafted to the larger boat. Next he heard what sounded like a gunshot, about 5 feet of gunnel ripped out of the Jupiter starting at the cleat. We still laugh about that story 10 years later
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I fish alone most of the time and my boat is a heavy 28' Baha hardtop. I have a Rockna anchor and when it digs in it really digs in. I have been using the anchor ball method to get the anchor out and I must have got it caught under a rock the last time I was out. I couldn't pull it out like I normally do by tying off the anchor rode to a rear cleat and motor until it pulls out. This time I couldn't get the anchor out the normal way and I figured I would just pull and hope I didn't break off the anchor. I had about 4 turns on my rear cleat and I was pulling so hard the line started slipping on the cleat and made a hell of a noise that actually startled me. I tied off of the cleat better and started pulling and the anchor finally pulled out. I was actually scared I was going to rip the cleat right out of the boat but I figured the anchor rode would break first but I don't know for sure if that is true?

I have never pulled out an cleat and I have never seen anyone else do it either. I have a backing bar on the underside of the cleat and it's obviously pretty robust but have any of you guys actually ripped out a cleat before your anchor line or dock line break? I have never pulled this hard on a cleat in my 40 years of owning boats so if this happens in the future is it more logical that I will break the 1/2" anchor line before I rip the cleat out?

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Ive never seen this before but thats a great idea.
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Old 09-01-2018, 05:54 PM
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Yes, I've seen a cleat pulled out in a storm. Never in routine weather. But rig your anchor to break away as shown above. It's saved my anchor a couple of times.
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:04 PM
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Yes, I have pulled out. Don’t know anything about the cleat
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:10 PM
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Rocna do a 'fisherman' version of their anchor with a slot that allows the chain to side from the end the shank of the anchor to the head of the anchor so that it can pull out like the breakaway illustrated above.

The breakaway may seem like a good idea, but if you rig your anchor like this have a shackle or a carabina handy so you can lock the chain to the end of the anchor for emergency purposes - if you need to drop anchor for a failed engine for instance, the last thing you want is the anchor rigged so it can break away.

And if raising the anchor with an anchor ball, never attach to a stern cleat - get the prop caught in the rope and there's only one way the stern is going!
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:26 PM
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We almost ripped a cleat off a sailboat trying to haul it two years ago. 6.5 foot draft on close to a record breaking low year on Lake Champlain where we MAYBE had 4.5 feet of water at the well. Komatsu front end loader pulling off the front (should have pulled from the mast) and our little kubota yanking the halyard from our pier on the side. I was on the dock watching the bow cleat and she snapped on one of the posts. Definitely the most interesting and scariest at that point haul I've ever done. It took a lot of pressure to snap that cleat. The decks on 90% of the sailboat up here are rotten to hell, surprise she didn't rip out. I have pics but I'm a newby here and I haven't made my ten posts.
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Old 09-01-2018, 06:32 PM
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You breakaway is supposed to pull directly in the line of the anchor so it's really putting the pull at the top through the base. Only when you change direction to lull from the side or opposite the anchoring direction should it break loose.

So if the engine breaks down and you put out the anchor it should be okay. But let's say the current changes direction and you do break away. No problem. Pull in the anchor and retie the breakaway and put it back out again. Anything else is risking losing the anchor.
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I didn’t do it but I saw the post incident carnage of not a cleat but a LARGE samson post being ripped off the stern corner of a 50 ft+ HEAVY dive boat, unsightly mess that’s for sure....
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Breaking strength for 1/2 nylon rope is 7,500 pounds. I would guess that it is possible to pull the cleat before breaking the line.
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:29 PM
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Saw it happen in your backyard, at pib. Baja was docked on outside of c dock, probably 1998 or so. Storm rolled in, boat was lurching up and down, cleat popped right out. Girl on board was bawling, terrified to get off boat. I think that's when one of the outside c dock pickings bent out.
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Yes, I have pulled out. Don’t know anything about the cleat
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Old 09-01-2018, 08:53 PM
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I "pulled out a cleat" if that means ripping about 2 feet of rail off on my pontoon boat. I was trying to pull a guy off a sand bar. All I can say is it is a good thing we had about 100' of line out there so it slowed down before it got to his boat.That baby was moving like an M-16 bullet when it let go. The way it was dragging that loop of line made it stop about 6 feet from the other boat.
It does stress why you never stand near a line under strain tho.
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:50 PM
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Keep trying to pull the anchor from the stern and losing a cleat is going to be the least of your problems, didn't Quint nearly lose both cleats in Jaws?
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Old 09-02-2018, 03:37 AM
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Worked on an 86ft steel longline boat that sat out a storm on anchor, wind blew 80. The deck was buckled up, 2 anchors held
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Old 09-02-2018, 06:21 AM
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Where were you anchored when this happened. Most of Erie is mud bottom, so chances are you hung on a tree/log or wreck.
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Old 09-02-2018, 07:20 AM
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You should never try to pull a hung up anchor by the stern. It can sink your boat. With the rotation of the prop it will pull the stern down and if there is any seas they can come right in and sink/capsize your boat. March of 2009 off of Tampa/St.Petersburg in the gulf it happened and two NFL players and I think two more people lost their lives and only one person survived. I believe he wrote a book about the ordeal...Nick Slayer?
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:32 AM
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Any tow boat operator will tell you plastic and popup cleats are garbage.
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