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Old 08-26-2018, 10:29 AM
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Default Center piece in rubrail install...how?

I got new rub rail for my whaler and cannot get the round center piece in. I tried heating it with a heat gun... no go. I tried using a pot of boiling water, that worked for about 3 feet then it cooled too much. I'm stumped. Anyone have any ideas? I was even thinking of ordering a rib spreader to open up the gap on the boat side. Or is there some tool made for this purpose? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Something like this.
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As you're pulling it along (to elongate it) beat the chit out of it with a rubber mallet.
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A rubber mallet usually does the trick pretty quickly. YouTube a video on how they do it, no need to get fancy with heat guns and rib spreaders.
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I tried the rubber mallet. It didn't work either. It doesn't seem to compress it enough. Maybe I'm just not going berserker enough with it. I'll go try it again right now. I have a steam cleaner and was wondering about shooting steam down the center. Problem is it's 30' of rail so I don't think it'll make it to the end. All the YouTube videos make it look so easy, but so far it's anything but.
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I screwed up and pulled the center rubber/soft plastic center out of the side of my rubrail on my 22'ft Lowe deckboat a few years ago. It had popped out in a place or two and I didn't even realize it was a 2pc design until then. So I thought, heck I'll just pull it out and re-install it and all will be fine... WRONG! I jacked and jacked with it and and couldn't get it to go back in. That zipper/spreader thingy you posted likely wouldn't work either because I'm afraid it would break the outer part of the rubrail (which feels like hard plastic, but now that we mention it, wouldn't make sense to be a rubrail piece without some "give" properties?)

Anyway, I called Lowe and was put in touch with someone in assembly. When I told him what I did he groaned, "Uhhhhh no!" ;? I was thinking to myself He said without "their method, tools and know how" it would be quite a job (I wonder now about the tool like you listed?) He recommended rolling the insert up in a coil and heating in an oven at something under 175 degrees, 2-3 people to assist (one to keep spraying lube whenever and wherever it jammed up) and then just pull, work and cuss like sailors but it "SHOULD" go back in there.

Needless to say, that insert is STILL out today!
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Apparently you don't quite understand ' beat the chit out of it'. It WILL Fit.
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Rubber mallet does not work no matter how hard I whack or stretch it. I went ahead and ordered the rib spreader. I'll report back on how/if it works.
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It's very similar to this style rail...
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Hit it like it owes you money.
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If you also changed the rail itself if the screws are too tight the rail closes up too much making insert install very difficult
having someone pull and hold it while you get just the right touch with a mallet , occasionally we use a flat jaw vice grip to squash the insert a little if the rail itself is tight on some areas.


sometimes takes half hour, sometimes half a day
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I thought about the flat jawed vice grips but my kids have taken them and didn't put them back and now they can't remember where they used them. I watched the taco video with the guy installing it and he says "you just pinch it and push it in, it's easy".... bull sh!@!!!
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Put it in the freezer overnight, maybe it will shrink enough to fall in.
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Originally Posted by Twahl View Post
I thought about the flat jawed vice grips but my kids have taken them and didn't put them back and now they can't remember where they used them. I watched the taco video with the guy installing it and he says "you just pinch it and push it in, it's easy".... bull sh!@!!!
did you change the rail also?
dont know what to tell you just need to get the right touch.
we dont use ovens, freezers, or pots of boiling water
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Ok....follow me here:
I took a block of wood and shaped it like the knob end of a baseball bat, no sharp edges.
Then cut/sliced it lengthwise in half to a thickness that would fit sideways up inside the rail piece.
Rotated it 90 degrees, and it spread the rails out.
One guy with the wood spreader and a rubber hammer tapping it gently along the length of the boat.
The other guy constantly feeding the insert in right behind the spreader.
Worked like a champ, and not near as complicated as I made it sound.
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When I replaced mine on my 26' Albie, I went to the stern corner, removed the bracket that held the side and stern pieces in place, stuck the new one in end just pushed it up the side. Two of us did it without much drama.
Maybe we just got lucky.
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It takes a couple of people and plenty of lube. You also have to pull on the insert to thin it as it stretches. Another trick is to put rope in the installed rail, lay the stretched the insert on it and beat it in as you pull the rope. Windshield I stalkers use this method. The rope spreads the outer piece and allows the insert to slip in. Use plenty of lube.
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Originally Posted by 2dogs1949 View Post
When I replaced mine on my 26' Albie, I went to the stern corner, removed the bracket that held the side and stern pieces in place, stuck the new one in end just pushed it up the side. Two of us did it without much drama.
Maybe we just got lucky.
Vaseline, big pliers and a mallet seem to help. vaseline to slide it thru, pliers to grab it and pull and the mallet for when it tries to escape.

I think those screw on stainless steel outer rubrail decorators are a pos. The first time you scrub rail against the boat lift guides bend the screws and makes the rail leak water into the hull..
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Thank you for all the great ideas and suggestions. I'm going to try it again tomorrow. I just can't believe how difficult this is.
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It can be awful. Tried it all and the easiest I have found is to lube it with dawn, pull it tight and smack with a mallet. You can get it going pretty easy after that. Goodluck

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