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Easy question. Can you navigate from a paper chart to a spot?

Old 07-18-2018, 09:10 PM
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Whether I'm in my car, boat or 737, I'm using electronic charts. I have not touched a paper chart in years however if you think about it electronic charts are derived from paper charts so for all practical purposes they are both the same only difference is that your position is accurately depicted on an electronic chart.
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I just follow the guides to the fish
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Old 07-18-2018, 09:38 PM
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I think size of vessels has bearing on the navigation aide use. 13' Boston Whaler needs little more than compass. 20+ footers work well with small plotter / finder, 40's and 50 footers usually have all of previous mentioned in addition to paper charts. 75 on up, all the previous nav instruments and Sat Nav.

That's how I see it anyway,...boats in storms at sea are not out of harms way as fast as a planes above. Sometimes in the storm battles, electrics fail. Not supposed to, but stuff happens. !
Old 07-18-2018, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AlreadyThere View Post
It sounds like you're not aware of the zoom function. Electronic charts were conceived from paper charts. Then they were built upon and updated as shoals and structure shifted. No way a paper chart is going to be as updated and precise as today's electronic charts zoomed in.
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Yes, quite familiar with zoom. I’m not even saying it’s either or. I’m happy to use my my screen when I’m navigating to a fishing spot in my home waters of Florida. I rarely pull out a chart on my center console. The screen is quite enough for me because I’m quite familiar with the area.

When I did my circumnavigation of Vancouver Island in a sea kayak, I used paper for my planning both ovearall and of my daily route. Rocks, current interacting with terraine, limited landings, plus a vessel with a top speed of arround 4 knots, there are too many opportunities for failure. My chart was on my deck, but I’m not a Luddite. I carried a GPS too. It makes a great back up to the chart.
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Originally Posted by BoatP2Lee View Post
I agree with MSHUGG, it's an essential skill. If you don't know how to use a paper chart, you don't need to be on any body of water bigger than the pond on your neighborhood golf course. Can't get your captain's license without being able to use one.
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I was required to learn chart navigation, but I have no desire to go back to it......ever. I wonder what some people's idea of being able to navigate by paper charts really means. I don't even own a current Coast Pilot subscription, I don't have variance cheat sheets taped to my dash beside my compass, and my parallel rule is at my house in a box. Not to mention there is no room at the console of my 22' bay boat to lay out a map, plot a course down the bayou to the next redfish hole, and figuring set and drift across the flat to the other side of the duck pond. Guess I need to retreat back to my golf course ponds.
Yep 270. Funny how you can spot the guys who wear captain's hats to bed to cover ignorance. Every inshore fishing guide in Louisiana can navigate on paper. It is learned in cramming fashion right before getting a 6 pack. However, none of them are pulling out paper charts on bay boats while dodging crab traps, koonasses and killer cocahoes.

Golf course pond...GTFO with that garbage.
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A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about how much easier it is to use a chart plotter (with which I agree), but the original question was 'can you?' not 'do you?'
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Originally Posted by Clinker View Post
A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist about how much easier it is to use a chart plotter (with which I agree), but the original question was 'can you?' not 'do you?'
Exactly. I voted yes.

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With no electronics I would simply head West. About 20 miles out I can start to see buildings. I pretty much know the shoreline from cape Canaveral to Miami.
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Originally Posted by Blueone View Post
How many kids today that drive can read a paper road map?... I bet very few .... Times have changed.


I had to drive to a place I'd never been before last year without a Sat Nav and my daughter (age 29) said, "How will you get there?" !!

I still remember how disconcerting it was the first time I'd gone to a strange place with a Sat Nav - when I arrived (only about 150 miles from home), I only had a vague sense of where I was and I couldn't have found my way home without the Sat Nav or getting a map out - whenever I had to look for the roads when using a paper map, it all registered and I could find the reverse route home from memory.
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Originally Posted by Clinker View Post
I had to drive to a place I'd never been before last year without a Sat Nav and my daughter (age 29) said, "How will you get there?" !!

I still remember how disconcerting it was the first time I'd gone to a strange place with a Sat Nav - when I arrived (only about 150 miles from home), I only had a vague sense of where I was and I couldn't have found my way home without the Sat Nav or getting a map out - whenever I had to look for the roads when using a paper map, it all registered and I could find the reverse route home from memory.
^this is the biggest problem with our use of technology and supports the theory that technology is actually making us dumber.
i used to carry a rand mcnally road atlas in my car at all times. i never felt concerned about going somewhere new because i knew how to read a map. most people under 30 would probably look at me sideways if i mentioned a "road atlas". today, everyone just follows blissfully along to siri's voice -- unaware of where they're actually going.

note to self: buy a rand-mcnally road atlas this weekend and use it to teach your kids how to use it!
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I said no because I could navigate to a fixed point in the Atlantic . But I have charts on the boat and it's not hard to get back to land.

I know I'm gonna get flamed but I find it to be a useless skill. If your 30 plus miles out your GPS dies and you don't have your current coordinates what good does it do you?

I can use a paper chart and remeber my approximate location on it and the find a compass heading to get me close to where I need to be. Inside the Chesapeake bay I don't need a chart plotter or maps to find my way around I can find my way around based on land marks.
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Navigating on paper charts require you to know where you are. A GPS tells you that. If the GPS system goes down I still have preloaded charts on my plotter, 2 phones and 3 pads, all of which have the same info as a paper chart. By the way I started out with compass and charts. In the Gulf where I fished you navigate by going to the nearest oil rig, read the number on it, and on a block chart find your course.
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Originally Posted by Blueone View Post
How many kids today that drive can read a paper road map?... I bet very few .... Times have changed.

I grew up on paper charts... I have charts of some of our favorite places framed and hanging on our walls... I don't travel today with paper charts but I do travel with headings..... If all the redundant electronics went to hell I would rely on our compass and its backup if necessary before anything else electronic
I really don't trust the electronic driving directions. They have the uncanny ability to take you on a wild goose chase to the wrong location.
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40 years of Paper Charts. My first GPS last August a whopping 5" screen, and I still read it like a Paper Chart. Even shut it of for night cruising due to it's dimmest setting still messes up night vision
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A couple of years ago on a Bahamas crossing, we did a "turn off your electronics day". Plotted the course on a paper chart, figured the set and drift due to the Gulf Stream, Hit the edge of the bank and got a bearing on Memory Rock to calculate a new position, laid a course across the Banks for Grand Cay and eyeball navigated into the channel to Rosies. No GPS or depth finder used all day - just chart, watch, and binoculars with a bearing compass. Good confidence building exercise.
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Originally Posted by FishnDive View Post
Amazing what those navigators were doing in the 1500s. They were all over the globe

Yeah but sometimes they missed by orders of magnitude. Wasn't Florida discovered by accident, and the explorers thought it was India? LOL.
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Originally Posted by Bugsbunnyboater View Post
A local store had paper charts on clearance and I was wondering how many of us can navigate with paper charts.
I bought one to learn on I guess my summer project.

In my opinion, your electronics should back up what you already know or at least have a good grasp of before you leave the dock. If your electronics go out, what are you left with? I live in the FL Keys and recently getting back into boating after about a 10 year break ( former sailing yacht racer and liveaboard 46' MY). Having a paper chart is essential to planning trips into the back country. GPS is wonderful there, but I wouldn't leave the dock without my paper back up chart! BTW, when you get into the backcountry, cell phone signals degrade, so there goes that electronic charting also!
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Originally Posted by kwjuls View Post
when you get into the backcountry, cell phone signals degrade, so there goes that electronic charting also!
Huh?
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When I get near Florida Bay, the north side of the Florida Keys, the cell phone signal is lost. Therefore, if you were planning to use that as a backup location finder when your boat GPS goes out, tough luck!
If your "huh?" was referring to the term backcountry? take a look at a satellite pic of the florida keys and zoom in!
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Originally Posted by boatbuilder2 View Post
What would you guys do without batteries ??? Compass, Chart, Paralell rule, Dividers, and a Trip Log.
you. Forgot the oars. So drift away.

details. Dang details..

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